From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Apr 19 20:52:22 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LvkYQ-0000Up-Kg for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:52:22 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LvkYQ-0000Ui-HK for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:52:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:52:22 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: if Message-ID: <20090420035222.GC24086@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-archive-position: 15470 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 09:56:54PM -0400, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > What are the different ways of translating "if" into "Lojban"? Depends on the if, but basically: gasnu krinu nibli se jalge mukti and their cmavo equivalents. ja nai/na ja and friends, it is worth noting, are *NOT* "if" in the English sense. di'a mi klama .i se ri'a bo do klama is "If I go, you'll go." di'a mi klama .i na ja do klama is true ... umm, sec; have to do the truth tables... T T F T T T F F F F F T T T T F F T F T states that either we both go, or neither of us go, or only you go. It says thing about why you go, which is what the English "if" usually means. In other words, if I go, but you don't "di'a mi klama .i na ja do klama" is false, I was wrong, and that's it, we're done. But with "di'a mi klama .i se ri'a bo do klama", if I go, and you haven't gone yet, you should probably start looking out for kidnappers or something, because I said that there was a causal connection between the two events. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" -- http://shorl.com/tydruhedufogre http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.