From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 20 10:14:01 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lvx4D-0000f5-0z for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:14:01 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lvx4C-0000ew-Q9 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:14:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:14:00 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Gender neutrality? Message-ID: <20090420171400.GA593@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20090420140025.GA7343@sdf.lonestar.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090420140025.GA7343@sdf.lonestar.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-archive-position: 15477 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 02:00:26PM +0000, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 20 pi'e 04 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Danny Piccirillo .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. > > If there are terms for boy, man, girl, and woman, there are surely terms for > > one who identifies as masculine or feminine, or androgynous, genderqueer, etc > > and those are the terms i think should be preferred in common conversation > > when talking about someone who has a gender identity (all humans). > .skamyxatra > > If you mean words that are suitable for individuals regardless of their gender > identities, yes, there are words for those. "Human" is "{remna}," and "person" > (not necessarily human) is "{prenu}." "Child" is "{verba}," "offspring" is > "{panzi}," "parent" is "{rirni}," "sibling" is "{tunba}," "uncle/aunt" is > "{famti}," et cetera. And, in fact, most of us use {remna} or {prenu} almost all of the time (that is, except when a distinction is important). I prefer {remna}, because I wish to reduce confusion when our future robot overlords arrive, but most people use {prenu}. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" -- http://shorl.com/tydruhedufogre http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.