From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 20 13:31:12 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lw091-00010n-Gl for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:31:12 -0700 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lw08t-0000zp-Ue for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:31:11 -0700 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-449ecdb6d12; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:30:37 -0400 Received: from Thirderivative@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id d.c59.477078ac (37132) for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA026-5bad49ecdb55120; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:30:23 -0400 Received: from FWM-D10 (fwm-d10.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.202]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA014-5bad49ecdb55120; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:30:13 -0400 References: <20090420140025.GA7343@sdf.lonestar.org> To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Gender neutrality? Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:30:13 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: thirderivative@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB900DF1A5EC24_11F4_1098_FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42559-STANDARD Received: from 76.8.216.14 by FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.202) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:30:13 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB900DF1979E08-11F4-83E@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-archive-position: 15481 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: thirderivative@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ----------MB_8CB900DF1A5EC24_11F4_1098_FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i never intend on calling anyone any other gender than what they are. when robots come along intelligent enough to maybe identify with a gender, i will make an exception and call them that. -----Original Message----- From: Danny Piccirillo To: lojban-list@lojban.org Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 2:12 pm Subject: [lojban] Re: Gender neutrality? No, i mean words that instead of meaning that someone is a boy, it means that they are mentally a boy. Everyone is used to using words that describe what people are biologically, but we should be talking about gender identity unless we really do want to talk specifically about their biological sex. So, the terms that mean identify as male, female, genderqueer, etc, should always be preferred when talking about humans (or even bots/androids that are supposed to have a gender since they don't have a biological sex).? On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:00, Minimiscience wrote: de'i li 20 pi'e 04 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Danny Piccirillo .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > If there are terms for boy, man, girl, and woman, there are surely terms for > one who identifies as masculine or feminine, or androgynous, genderqueer, etc > and those are the terms i think should be preferred in common conversation > when talking about someone who has a gender identity (all humans). ..skamyxatra If you mean words that are suitable for individuals regardless of their gender identities, yes, there are words for those. ?"Human" is "{remna}," and "person" (not necessarily human) is "{prenu}." ?"Child" is "{verba}," "offspring" is "{panzi}," "parent" is "{rirni}," "sibling" is "{tunba}," "uncle/aunt" is "{famti}," et cetera. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- le munje vi smaji To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. ----------MB_8CB900DF1A5EC24_11F4_1098_FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
i never intend on calling anyone any other gender than what they are. when robots come along intelligent enough to maybe identify with a gender, i will make an exception and call them that.


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Piccirillo <danny.piccirillo@gmail.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 2:12 pm
Subject: [lojban] Re: Gender neutrality?

No, i mean words that instead of meaning that someone is a boy, it means that they are mentally a boy. Everyone is used to using words that describe what people are biologically, but we should be talking about gender identity unless we really do want to talk specifically about their biological sex. So, the terms that mean identify as male, female, genderqueer, etc, should always be preferred when talking about humans (or even bots/androids that are supposed to have a gender since they don't have a biological sex). 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:00, Minimiscience <minimiscience@gmail.com> wrote:
de'i li 20 pi'e 04 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Danny Piccirillo .fy. cusku zoi
skamyxatra.
> If there are terms for boy, man, girl, and woman, there are surely terms for
> one who identifies as masculine or feminine, or androgynous, genderqueer, etc
> and those are the terms i think should be preferred in common conversation
> when talking about someone who has a gender identity (all humans).
..skamyxatra

If you mean words that are suitable for individuals regardless of their gender
identities, yes, there are words for those.  "Human" is "{remna}," and "person"
(not necessarily human) is "{prenu}."  "Child" is "{verba}," "offspring" is
"{panzi}," "parent" is "{rirni}," "sibling" is "{tunba}," "uncle/aunt" is
"{famti}," et cetera.

mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

--
le munje vi smaji


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