From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 29 06:10:44 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lz9Yi-000601-Og for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:10:44 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f108.google.com ([209.85.221.108]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lz9Yf-0005zB-KG for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:10:44 -0700 Received: by qyk6 with SMTP id 6so3321558qyk.28 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:10:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4BpfeXs6LWmIfapTJQb6wLwnlm3K3hN+xMCmL9y7j1w=; b=qN+qWAfNstaTb8E+IkzxTHDK8eVfBUUXH/cHujb9FKFSKltBHsEr9Le9LdhA3cEWkw xL0sp6PVoaPcVx9qPKqM9ZBGkFveBcJWwr02B83//jopHDU9hdRufTr28a4uu8EZ0nrD 3nzq4anSWruQyjBz4V8xGpjVnh1tXlYRW5jHg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=LMtg7iIYPkOWYZmh/a5VwKkKQD81sO+jODWNfOqbUcmN00CiFjeYCIjsBLzJoLxkER XqetunWXvSut2e3lCcBZYuKKPphWfxYr0M3coUBDwkn5627hcg+qLDqt0U/uJWLcJhmJ VO8XX+YzHqCdbJcNjzNcH1txHsIQUDiR1hYD4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.87.4 with SMTP id u4mr672308vcl.28.1241010635230; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:10:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200904290725.48063.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200904290725.48063.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:10:35 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300904290610i5bae178dpb32d387a273e6662@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Logical Naming Conventions From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6475f1a1350b70468b14e62 X-archive-position: 15513 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e6475f1a1350b70468b14e62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, Pierre, in that system what would happen in the following generation? Let's say: A + B marry and have children who take both A and B. Now we have AB. So now AB wants to marry the child of X + Y. So now we have AB + XY marry and have children who take both AB and XY and now we haev ABXY. For generation n a person would have 2^n names. I like Asimov's idea from his "Foundation" series. In it there's a planet that does naming according to who you are/what you've done/other things about you, and your name is a massive string of all these things with the most intrinsically you things being closer to the beginning. People can then use as much of their name as they please in day to day life. For instance, under this system, I might call myself: "skamilojbozoigo" although skami, lojban, and go are more interests so I would obviously put a little more thought into it. But then in day to day life I'd say "just call me skamil" or some such. - Luke Bergen On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 28 April 2009 22:20:08 Danny Piccirillo wrote: > > Some of you on the channel may already be familiar with my plan to > legally > > change my name. > > > > I have a lot of issues with the traditional naming system. Last names-- > > wtf? Take it from dad or mom or both? Why not neither? Gender neutrality. > > Lack of meaning (i'm not sure how i feel about that one). > > I think there should be one family name passed down by the mother and > another > passed down by the father. I don't know of any culture that does that, > though. > > Pierre > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --0016e6475f1a1350b70468b14e62 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, Pierre, in that system what would happen in the following generation?= =A0 Let's say:

A + B marry and have children who take both A and= B.=A0 Now we have AB.=A0 So now AB wants to marry the child of X + Y.=A0 S= o now we have

AB + XY marry and have children who take both AB and XY and now we haev= ABXY.=A0 For generation n a person would have 2^n names.

I like Asi= mov's idea from his "Foundation" series.=A0 In it there's= a planet that does naming according to who you are/what you've done/ot= her things about you, and your name is a massive string of all these things= with the most intrinsically you things being closer to the beginning.=A0 P= eople can then use as much of their name as they please in day to day life.= =A0 For instance, under this system, I might call myself:=A0 "skamiloj= bozoigo" although skami, lojban, and go are more interests so I would = obviously put a little more thought into it.=A0 But then in day to day life= I'd say "just call me skamil" or some such.

- Luke Bergen


On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Pierre = Abbat <phma@phma= .optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 28 April 2009 22:20:08 Danny Piccirillo wrote:=
> Some of you on the channel may already be familiar with my plan to leg= ally
> change my name.
>
> I have a lot of issues with the traditional naming system. Last names-= -
> wtf? Take it from dad or mom or both? Why not neither? Gender neutrali= ty.
> Lack of meaning (i'm not sure how i feel about that one).

I think there should be one family name passed down by the mother and= another
passed down by the father. I don't know of any culture that does that,<= br> though.

Pierre


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