From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 29 15:43:35 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LzIV5-0007OB-3V for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:43:35 -0700 Received: from web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.119]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LzIV1-0007Nc-9n for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:43:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 80229 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2009 22:43:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1241045004; bh=pkc2UADZZsvScF/PCwllNxEpk3aZLyLYOwTJt8QNFQI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E3DVyXcOk9lPuQhOgf4qdjqAJ/TXceM1zzpiWYTJOMePU1JHjGbOHZn/ueFtYZRJoDKmnouASmp3WDWbCwg4MweOZ0Qy9S841h9q9utQ4FB8oR3G4fyL3JI8D5lHYpOUEqZq19zCYbaNdQEj8Wu7Atc5rhAwXSykp6fBhA6J+cM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0fZTI1+92bkbpsy83c3s+odDzgCUX4Tot1jtBwR8WJ2YWsON8E648O8rleeUq7nYDPIDzWqF/DUvFy4vlcW2qp4uEigeNXpHMs/rEckaVodwurDTdAvfNJx7wbGXwaKQobuoj1P+g71n0nJSQiUhnJmqObTGRpbiOXVXQR4xyTE=; Message-ID: <267063.80180.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: C4FaElwVM1kgqQMGlK0FscgryJqf_z0EUtlNERTU1frsKHmUejmguhmYtxUdE6XUQQo5JtIXf3pgT3V7gaWquXCaD1v6Pg10AeEYHrZLB25_ZFQ2vwrZPRWaI10xT2srIRSraoWpqVUz4rPLdOiKvTksrEhOUKrX3kkVthDIbdZgk44Mc_bpZ6j16MMIklY5K728pBb6u2lKzNP74Di.WqE5WHw_.8XbgZcWvabMYAsLZi7wUqd8KNfg0lEMoWz1laiWiiaea8WrZpCg2lSArmbM8M_hMzSn03W78VDFlc02om9iVwW81VAuvCtdhgKaoUSCflcI7d_IvzLGdkzAIQjkFj3jjcSU0w-- Received: from [24.207.224.145] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:43:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 References: <200904290725.48063.phma@phma.optus.nu> <5715b9300904290610i5bae178dpb32d387a273e6662@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930904290707n3a9a79catca7b7c1d1d121a84@mail.gmail.com> <43332.97215.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CB972272FFFA47-758-BE6@webmail-md02.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: Logical Naming Conventions To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1828666181-1241045003=:80180" X-archive-position: 15539 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0-1828666181-1241045003=:80180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, what do you want names to do -- beyond contextual uniqueness? Be pre= tty? then pick something pretty. Be informative? Pick something that give= s the information you consider important. And perhaps different things for= different contexts. There is, I suppose, such a thing as a general purpo= se name -- something like the function of our historically given name -- wh= ich would be a starting point (mine is foor almost all of my other names) a= nd you can get on from that. Your given name seems a good starting point, = especially if you go back into its history (something about God - El - and= whatever Piccirillo comes from [triangulating translations come up with wa= nderer, cockscomb and tor, but nevermind]). And you don't have to be limit= ed by that, of course.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro= m: Danny Piccirillo =0ATo: lojban-list@lojban.o= rg=0ASent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:55:01 PM=0ASubject: [lojban] Re: Log= ical Naming Conventions=0A=0AMmm, now what about a practical approach we ca= n use in today's world? Names have to stay the same (or at least can't be e= asily changed), so what should i do until humanity adopts a more ideal nami= ng system... xD=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 16:44, wr= ote:=0A=0AHere is what I'm using in my science fiction setting. This presup= poses that entirely logical aliens harvested humans for use as biological r= obots, so having a defined starting point and a limited sample makes life e= asier =0A=0AThe humans were chosen and defined in terms of forty genetic ma= rkers. these genetic markers were assigned (by the aliens) a hierarchy of d= esirability. The first generation had only a single last name, that of thei= r genetic marker. The second generation had a hypehentated genius name, wit= h the first word being the deignation for the highest rated marker between = the parents and the second being the lower rated. Children are called by th= eir sex and birth order, being something like first male offspring of gene = marker 15 and gene marker 33. The next generation would take the highest ma= rker from each parent and so on.=0A=0AOnce the children become adults they = will acquire a name based on achievement=0A=0AJust my two bits.=0A=0ATerry= =0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: John E Clifford =0ATo: lojban-list@lojban.org=0A=0ASent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:23 p= m=0ASubject: [lojban] Re: Logical Naming Conventions=0A=0A=0AI thought it w= as a-sson etc; i.e., the first name, not the second (which is =0A=0Apresuma= bly already a sson or dottir)=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: t= ijlan =0ATo: lojban-list@lojban.org=0ASent: Wednesday,= April 29, 2009 9:07:48 AM=0ASubject: [lojban] Re: Logical Naming Conventio= ns=0A=0AThe Icelandic naming system goes like this:=0A=0A{a.A} (patfu) + {b= .B} (mamta)=0A=0A-> {c.A-sson} (bersa) / {d.A-d=F3ttir} (tixnu)=0A=0Aor=0A= =0A-> {c.B-sson} (bersa) / {d.B-d=F3ttir} (tixnu)=0A=0Ahttp://en.wikipedia.= org/wiki/Icelandic_name=0A=0Amu'o mi'e tijlan=0A=0A=0ATo unsubscribe from t= his list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org=0Awith the subject un= subscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if=0Ayou're really stuc= k, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ATo unsubscr= ibe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org=0Awith the = subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if=0Ayou're r= eally stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____= ____________________________=0ABig savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops= ! =0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1828666181-1241045003=:80180 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, what do you want names to do -- beyond contextual u= niqueness?  Be pretty?  then pick something pretty.  Be info= rmative? Pick something that gives the information you consider important.&= nbsp; And perhaps different things for different contexts.   Ther= e is, I suppose, such a thing as a general purpose name -- something like t= he function of our historically given name -- which would be a starting poi= nt (mine is foor almost all of my other names) and you can get on from that= .  Your given name seems a good starting point, especially if you go b= ack into its history (something about God  - El - and whatever Picciri= llo comes from [triangulating translations come up with wanderer, cockscomb= and tor, but nevermind]).  And you don't have to be limited by that, of course.

From: = Danny Piccirillo <danny.piccirillo@gmail.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
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Subject: [lojban] Re= : Logical Naming Conventions

=0AMmm, now what about a practic= al approach we can use in today's world? Names have to stay the same (or at= least can't be easily changed), so what should i do until humanity adopts = a more ideal naming system... xD
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The humans = were chosen and defined in terms of forty genetic markers. these genetic ma= rkers were assigned (by the aliens) a hierarchy of desirability. The first = generation had only a single last name, that of their genetic marker. The s= econd generation had a hypehentated genius name, with the first word being = the deignation for the highest rated marker between the parents and the sec= ond being the lower rated. Children are called by their sex and birth order= , being something like first male offspring of gene marker 15 and gene mark= er 33. The next generation would take the highest marker from each parent a= nd so on.
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I thought it was a-sson etc; i.e., the first name, not the second=
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