From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 11 12:15:14 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 11 May 2009 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M3ay2-0000QD-AE for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:15:14 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com ([209.85.219.213]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M3axx-0000Os-9U for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:15:14 -0700 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so3761947ewy.34 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=P581lggRyBm6VPErejFhTCytwvItaz2jMKPNkbbkHak=; b=Dc7cBpM5pCcKcZX/ZuZDHBIqpf0aJ1qP7O1h80Z9nWFrN/m+jxtq2xfhk9izOXkJtn j5K/aeyiEp/+KrhLrcrPcaglFQlPn5sc1Uk3Id0VyAHnvXTtXleAQg7H7ibZPfsMA9NF gZ7oHrTJ0Vr4Xn677ZE/FFv0N1VbpaSykQ2tk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eXt4DEAYKvaZOGXDcjv5pgRWCeiN7vx+XFJbRFuoHF7dPT5cE86gbLf4/t3/Xi+TgB 0uLoklgFrpZo5ALX15VmsOb1ny/cS/VrttFZ4az39gFJBUl8xyvk1KjNWWQUs2DnYVmU Z8oKGK2pIiDOacaYyHZpdIeVQDredBt9Fuc1k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.166.2 with SMTP id t2mr9336618ebo.42.1242069302633; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A080910.1050104@perpetuum-immobile.de> References: <4A080910.1050104@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:15:02 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560905111215x72b151as48f391112394228@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: "Relative Clause Veridical Quantification Gotcha" influenced by xorlo? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 15572 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Timo Paulssen wrote: > I just stumbled upon this gotcha on the wiki: > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Relative+Clause+Veridical+Quantification+Gotcha&bl=y > > And I wonder, if it's influenced by xorlo in any way? That page seems a bit confused about relative clauses. They don't attach _to_ selbri, and "noi" is not "non-veridical" in any sense. For the BPFK's take on relative clauses see: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+Subordinators mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.