From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri May 22 16:28:27 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 22 May 2009 16:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M7eA6-0007hc-Uz for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:28:27 -0700 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M7eA3-0007gA-AF for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:28:26 -0700 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so436875eye.58 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:28:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gZQsDanPJr32zAIlEYIy2R83MoFKQTrd5Z7zJBgsWsU=; b=eLdhuPjmxSRiex+lb9HW006I82vl7GVEPchtrlaQVYN1qxBGSIv5Vktm9I5ryVJRzH tfOBP7SIvRePieQX/IuFRFy4dZB3NtoJan02Iu0MY291JGJ24S+m1Mg5B/lgR9Kse6AI uf6P63LSFgkLJWOO9uojmEpy+5vWtzs4MGYxs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=oIYrYQ2sHnq4s3wF6SDusFDriVXcyP1j/eiF0mHYSCnb4LVxSOEr4S/kF7rhQhLZ3Y Pfj4HrUKmBTppgARaxkCe1q1WeR6zqB+67Y6z/0SCJdans+lg7Ig2poxA5yhbHV+7zS9 ve5PZzOOKdvmVXW/TU4F9B3aMcs6cUgjHIUVU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.54.194 with SMTP id i44mr876559wec.93.1243034901732; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:28:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560905221154q59d3260fu8cb2007d8af5e03f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200905220734.44835.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20090522175658.GA17703@sdf.lonestar.org> <925d17560905221154q59d3260fu8cb2007d8af5e03f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 19:28:21 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5ea66f874e66d9bc Message-ID: <12d58c160905221628l7593d529y9d8c605e7bc68e15@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: origin or composition of soap From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 15601 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list 2009/5/22 Jorge Llambías : > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Minimiscience wrote: >> de'i li 22 pi'e 05 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Pierre Abbat .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. >>> What is which? xu zbabu la kastilias. lo alzaitu grasu? .ije'i zbabu lo >>> alzaitu grasu? .i lo jilka cu sumti zo zbabu li xo? >> .skamyxatra >> >> According to the {gismu} list, the x2 of "{zbabu}" is the source and x3 is the >> composition.  I don't know what suggests to you that it may be the other way >> around, but unless it's the CLL (which a quick grep seems to indicate that it >> is not), the answer is pretty clearly "{.ijenai .i ci}." > > I think he is asking about what "source" means here. "Source" is > ambiguous in English. Is the source of the soap the olive oil (the > substance which the soap comes from), or is it Castille (the place > where it comes from)? If it's the oil (as I would assume, why would we > want an argument place for the location where the soap was produced?), > then what's the difference between the source x2 and the composition > x3? Slightly OT: This issue reminds me that for quite some time I have presumed that what was definitely not done during the language design period -- but could have been done -- was the construction of an example bridi for each gismu in which all the gismu-places are meaningfully filled in. Does anyone know whether this was deliberately not done? It seems as though it would have been enormously helpful to us. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.