From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri May 29 12:46:13 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 29 May 2009 12:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MA81t-0003jW-JX for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:46:13 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f106.google.com ([209.85.221.106]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MA81n-0003jB-NY for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:46:13 -0700 Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so92402qyk.28 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:46:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RphY2HUZtlAfszGLM8aWGfiU30Ftwk5GVXKA3HrFXkE=; b=TcdrVBzUlyg+ZplYvIx5EKIirqL9LSe9DQ2wgi64X6w0t9MBT/RPSw6ByK15omKGOw pNcZcSb89X5P0SXUipms/FHztY1YMPvAHRMTjgh53T7JBO1s1J24M9nPwzhmIiLp5741 OKQtcI11l/d+JUxraz/2YvnXWEGcM/aiL2g7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=K3wON8FiCRgHpVPo7TdOI4RoUYgBI2eywGuZPQiL/5VJ25BoegThIw6uPmb54bdS5g x9JncXZIspDwGqARJRH1/kHwRIkh0O03aofS5Ez2TruvPu5BojPgMGsuhVx6N4FgMTg+ yRBhUJVsMb3WB0XYJdPPX/pYsWh2w+yLXU8OA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.96.10 with SMTP id f10mr1167265qcn.72.1243626361327; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:46:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560905291230n14ffbbadqd864ccd54d526ee9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200905291833.11655.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> <925d17560905291121u6ecc132ex6ff4f627073d4adb@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300905291144k4d3fd810i50baf7d209b4831e@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560905291230n14ffbbadqd864ccd54d526ee9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:46:01 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300905291246u114ce4daifefda03198814a2e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Start of closed alpha draws closer ... From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163642729f8012f2046b12539f X-archive-position: 15620 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --00163642729f8012f2046b12539f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mmm, I see what you're saying. Where did you get that definition? I looke= d in jbovlaste and didn't see an entry for "xagvanbi". Maybe we should add it. - Luke Bergen 2009/5/29 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > hmmm, xagvanbi from xamgu vanbi meaning "good environment". How is "go= od > > environment" "opportunity"? > > x1 is a propicious/favorable condition/context for x2 > x1 is an opportunity for x2 > > > What about xagykamcu'i from xamgu ka cumki > > "good [property of] possible"? > > I think an opportunity is a situation, a state of affairs, not a > property. An opportunity may be a situation that confers the property > of being possible, but the opportunity is not that property. > > We can say "the trip was an opportunity (=3Da favorable context) to > spend more time with him" or "the trip provided the possibility to > spend more time with him", but not "the trip was the property of > spending time with him being possible". > > So perhaps "xagnuncu'i", "x1 is a favorable situation of x2 being > possible". > > Or, if you want to use "xaurkamcu'i", then something like > "xaurkamcumsabji", but that sounds too long. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --00163642729f8012f2046b12539f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mmm, I see what you're saying.=A0 Where did you get that definition?=A0= I looked in jbovlaste and didn't see an entry for "xagvanbi"= .=A0 Maybe we should add it.

- Luke Bergen


2009/5/29 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com&g= t;
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> hmmm, xagvanbi from xamgu vanbi meaning "good environment".= =A0 How is "good
> environment" "opportunity"?

x1 is a propicious/favorable condition/context for x2
x1 is an opportunity for x2

> What about xagykamcu'i from xamgu ka cumki
> "good [property of] possible"?

I think an opportunity is a situation, a state of affairs, not a
property. An opportunity may be a situation that confers the property
of being possible, but the opportunity is not that property.

We can say "the trip was an opportunity (=3Da favorable context) to spend more time with him" or "the trip provided the possibility t= o
spend more time with him", but not "the trip was the property of<= br> spending time with him being possible".

So perhaps "xagnuncu'i", "x1 is a favorable situation of= x2 being possible".

Or, if you want to use "xaurkamcu'i", then something like
"xaurkamcumsabji", but that sounds too long.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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