From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat May 30 14:07:27 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 30 May 2009 14:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAVm3-0003FM-7f for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:07:27 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com ([209.85.219.213]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAVly-0003EO-LJ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:07:27 -0700 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so6388053ewy.34 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:07:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5CLq9UlgHNxbonOO5fMNqHJJ9CgQBIqCltMrzjsbK6k=; b=SjU7QQSGRSAFKjscexFJr5IBeLbm1tw1EZrkhVLJNe/8frzgOeCDadDtMTXRJIXWNe C4bNiqUUpFhFAVhvA8yiM4qE/U0vtgRmsf9wlyWwNtvfZEv4SmFDIoRVLkwvQiJUcvE6 O8oj/9q8/SXiIiP3zfuDJffiblgJVVISrMozg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=tc1EgGdHa+qCwxr7e3IiNdrwT1O3dTGNguHZ9ObmtpXoiGdFCRHpGZrSe2ZQqd9u99 o3Edkcz1BX9r59LifV4Uu7ij1XvEJ5y6uEkIw35Agw7/N+p5zp59hE5ASv95sg713Ul2 FK38FxQAceBanLwUE4uyq+rOzE2YXNbNpG1yg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.20.74 with SMTP id o52mr1402697weo.147.1243717636193; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:07:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <12d58c160905301251h292fffebu7bc864e53cccf789@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300905301157g37c96bfbq96b3142d1761f081@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160905301251h292fffebu7bc864e53cccf789@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:07:16 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2537c57bafd68684 Message-ID: <12d58c160905301407q69fe2bb3wd237ad19fc8190dc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: sel ter vel xel From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d2015e7fde5046b27937c X-archive-position: 15625 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016364d2015e7fde5046b27937c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:51 PM, komfo,amonan wrote: > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> I know I've read something about a "great rafsi relocation" and that not >> wanting to cause another one of these is the main reason behind not changing >> "tel" for stela (lock) to something else is out of the question. But that >> was a while ago. Is it still completely out of the question to change just >> one little rafsi so we can have 100% consistency instead of 99.9% >> consistency? >> >> I just picture teaching my kids lojban and them saying "but dad, you said >> that there are no exceptions toe the rules in lojban, why is the rafsi of >> 'te' 'ter' when all the others are just themselves plus 'l'?". > > > Are there any rules about rafsi besides their forms & the fact that every > gismu has at least one? > Well, I guess there are at least three gismu without rafsi -- {brodi}, {brodo}, {brodu} -- so scrap that rule. mu'o mi'e komfn --0016364d2015e7fde5046b27937c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:51 PM, komfo,amonan <komfoamonan@gmail.com> wrot= e:
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeab= ergen@gmail.com> wrote:
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I know I've read something about a "great rafsi relocation" a= nd that not wanting to cause another one of these is the main reason behind= not changing "tel" for stela (lock) to something else is out of = the question.=C2=A0 But that was a while ago.=C2=A0 Is it still completely = out of the question to change just one little rafsi so we can have 100% con= sistency instead of 99.9% consistency?

I just picture teaching my kids lojban and them saying "but dad, y= ou said that there are no exceptions toe the rules in lojban, why is the ra= fsi of 'te' 'ter' when all the others are just themselves p= lus 'l'?".

Are there any rules about rafsi besides their forms & th= e fact that every gismu has at least one?
Well, I guess there are at least three gismu without rafsi -- {brodi}, {br= odo}, {brodu} -- so scrap that rule. mu'o mi'e komfn

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