From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun May 31 16:41:14 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 31 May 2009 16:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAueP-0004vc-KO for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:41:14 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f118.google.com ([209.85.221.118]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAueE-0004ua-VK for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:41:13 -0700 Received: by qyk16 with SMTP id 16so328052qyk.28 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:40:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9oDp9g9pqA0KNqmG3t855JeU6j3jigEsx1P3XPyTJEo=; b=CyLQkwMXT+xh7fz31EYWoExQ8obwGsPtOIqVKgPP7lwDlw7E8DGOE+EHixVw+/DdQb GT5Y80OYI34HIvkJSYLbH4f6bza9yedqpbJRGLoXW8Ugk4Hk2pLIMTJ38dqcjNuMyzVr fIUEC7twQm3sbiPaKIJMh8HKDtEXRs/VIBpIE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=pY2KEhjiT5vSxYxwcrmYrWcG88zWgqDnrxS0+r+xt3n4I0o4/VSCdJbf560IFwed7f x/wEGtn/Ox1WoPhNs+GLmX3bHeGft3grwpCV4H6E1/A8A1XBqQLv++Bm/8hzfb5Mudy5 BbW1CAOpimsPiSgbL2AawZqE7TGxXmUASVGCE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.71.13 with SMTP id f13mr3259461vcj.111.1243813255840; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:40:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:40:55 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300905311640u5848d851ka281c30b053c085b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: sel ter vel xel From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6469c784802ff046b3dd7ef X-archive-position: 15630 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e6469c784802ff046b3dd7ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit because sometimes rafsi by themselves are other words entirely. For instance "ta'e" is the rafsi for tanxe "box". But it also means "habitually". This is why rafsi are not true lojbo valsi in and of themselves. I'm not sure it's possible, given the number of gismu, to have consistency in how all the rafsi are are formed. But I do wish that the cmavo would have some internal consistency, especially within individual selma'o in how the rafsi are formed. Oh well, probably just a pipe dream. - Luke Bergen On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Adam Raizen wrote: > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 21:52, wrote: > >> In a message dated 5/31/2009 06:56:22 Eastern Daylight Time, >> adam.raizen@gmail.com writes: >> >> >> I can't imagine that your kids are going to be miffed about the rafsi for >> 'te' as opposed to the fact that the rafsi list itself increases the memory >> load of lojban by about 150% for no apparent benefit whatsoever. >> >> >> >> You don't see a benefit in being able to combine five-letter gismu and get >> a word that's often only six letters? I think it's a great idea. I just >> wish that it had been done better. The rafsi are definitely a pain to >> learn. >> > > Okay, so there's some benefit, but it's not nearly enough to begin to > justify the huge memory load it requires. Why couldn't the rafsi themselves > be the gismu? > > -- > Adam Raizen > Got sente? > > --0016e6469c784802ff046b3dd7ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable because sometimes rafsi by themselves are other words entirely.=A0 For inst= ance "ta'e" is the rafsi for tanxe "box".=A0 But it= also means "habitually".=A0 This is why rafsi are not true lojbo= valsi in and of themselves.=A0 I'm not sure it's possible, given t= he number of gismu, to have consistency in how all the rafsi are are formed= .=A0 But I do wish that the cmavo would have some internal consistency, esp= ecially within individual selma'o in how the rafsi are formed.

Oh well, probably just a pipe dream.

- Luke Berge= n


On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Adam Ra= izen <adam.ra= izen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 21:52, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.co= m> wrote:
In a message dated 5/3= 1/2009 06:56:22 Eastern Daylight Time, adam.raizen@gmail.com writes:


I can't ima= gine that your kids are going to be miffed about the rafsi for 'te'= as opposed to the fact that the rafsi list itself increases the memory loa= d of lojban by about 150% for no apparent benefit whatsoever.


You don't see a benefit in being able to combine five-letter gismu = and get a word that's often only six letters? =A0I think it's a gre= at idea. =A0I just wish that it had been done better. =A0The rafsi are defi= nitely a pain to learn.

O= kay, so there's some benefit, but it's not nearly enough to begin t= o justify the huge memory load it requires. Why couldn't the rafsi them= selves be the gismu?

--
Adam Raizen <adam.raizen@gmail.com>=
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