From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun May 31 20:55:53 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 31 May 2009 20:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAycr-0002qV-JR for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:55:53 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f219.google.com ([209.85.220.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAycl-0002qF-TO for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:55:53 -0700 Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so6501994fxm.34 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:55:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nkLwr/3rlWS70NqkGvDxpV7EpYsqzER6+pUOti4/WtI=; b=OkaYQEnidElWCga1qd5lNfLdt4svCj/9YSlRmwLFEx5NE3sQfN+ucQxCbegJft2i/Y SDOojyz2eZCrbXKMGZKxs5FHeowO9mErVMyxUo7TKNGe283EPn+eV7ATc+2Oj+hpWsF8 0uZCAKtU1IbcAfHgJBr7QCiw1gG598cNtjaIg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=m/yekDOYjkrk9GMqYYPzchsdaQ/I/BaUHuJYDWuRXKkiHDi+1UntyhkbBlEXPLx03C K/IfylgJ1GucUlWoAtmCtBm5irYGd16Qjd10W+eFBPyOsgcYOVYKzdpoLkrlDGIxga4k 9F3r/czBh6Nkq9gwEHx8UOHhiKOAId4CQLUrE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.103.194 with SMTP id l2mr2877563fao.55.1243828540512; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:55:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300905311640u5848d851ka281c30b053c085b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300905311640u5848d851ka281c30b053c085b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 04:55:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: sel ter vel xel From: Adam Raizen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d7e8519b4e046b4166fc X-archive-position: 15631 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam.raizen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --00504502d7e8519b4e046b4166fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 00:40, Luke Bergen wrote: > because sometimes rafsi by themselves are other words entirely. For > instance "ta'e" is the rafsi for tanxe "box". But it also means > "habitually". This is why rafsi are not true lojbo valsi in and of > themselves. Of course it doesn't work with the current Lojban phonological system (given the design goals), but there are a lot of very smart people here and I'm sure that coming up with a system that fulfilled the same design goals as Lojban but didn't require learners to memorize 0-3 extra combining forms for every root word would not prove to be overly ambitious. -- Adam Raizen Got sente? --00504502d7e8519b4e046b4166fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 00:40, L= uke Bergen <l= ukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
because sometimes rafsi by themselves are other words entirely.=C2=A0 For i= nstance "ta'e" is the rafsi for tanxe "box".=C2=A0 = But it also means "habitually".=C2=A0 This is why rafsi are not t= rue lojbo valsi in and of themselves.

Of course it doesn't work with the current Lojban phonologica= l system (given the design goals), but there are a lot of very smart people= here and I'm sure that coming up with a system that fulfilled the same= design goals as Lojban but didn't require learners to memorize 0-3 ext= ra combining forms for every root word would not prove to be overly ambitio= us.

--
Adam Raizen <adam.ra= izen@gmail.com>
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