From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 01 06:28:23 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MB7Yq-0007G3-5d for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:28:23 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.147]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MB7Yl-0007F7-Pe for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:28:19 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so4444323qwc.58 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:28:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XYF8TtXIaJry38CdUzSuSuVJFpFqgKyyu02IZccJUwM=; b=L3LzdpH42c9AQpQ25g0HlmL6i/At4MvRoOx+y0N/udbEwopCKYiTOPjQA6oSUD44/U WuiDf2GWbEuVeP44HCQaL/igyhrQx/NJ4Lxmh7oOp1IsCJWidP/plYJGh1XpJ5z0Bibr TWHwXyLaUd7ndXddqdDWEDsbtfd1L7rYc5r7o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Vv4ul+JY+knA1iI8jpgMIdFU+AbTL/71Kcgi5aPYpuFkqA5+hKxwzqX4bnlWoxqIbP 7FofNXRprDlea9crzxJ3f/DJxg/L3dk8LyZxB0ARoC4K4gq/S8PNItbia4u99jW3QwIN I6i8cO8PYHqVlSVUYerGaRtYOiCglTYKkouoQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.82.79 with SMTP id a15mr1647057qcl.57.1243862894555; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:28:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:28:14 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300906010628l341442ear1f5c7e4a3e5f1f8e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: sel ter vel xel From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d542fab300046b496584 X-archive-position: 15633 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --00163646d542fab300046b496584 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be quite an undertaking. with only CVC and CCV forms that would leave...... [17]*[5]*[17] = 1445 forms for CVC and (due to initial consonant pairs restriction) 48*5 = 240 for CCV form. Added together we have 1685.... that would be just about enough to cover the gismu that we have now with a little left over to spare. I doubt that it would happen in lojban, but an interesting thought experiment morpheme - Luke Bergen On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:31 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 5/31/2009 23:57:24 Eastern Daylight Time, > adam.raizen@gmail.com writes: > > > I'm > > sure that coming up with a system that fulfilled the same design goals as > Lojban but didn't require learners to memorize 0-3 extra combining forms for > every root word would not prove to be overly ambitious. > > > One possibility would be to create the rafsi first, perhaps using all the > CVC and CCV forms, neither of which can be a cmavo, then adding more or less > arbitrary -CV to each one to make a gismu. Thus the first three letters of > each gismu would provide a unique rafsi. > > mu'o mi'e stevon > --00163646d542fab300046b496584 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That would be quite an undertaking.=A0 with only CVC and CCV forms that wou= ld leave...... [17]*[5]*[17] =3D 1445 forms for CVC and (due to initial con= sonant pairs restriction) 48*5 =3D 240 for CCV form.=A0 Added together we h= ave 1685.... that would be just about enough to cover the gismu that we hav= e now with a little left over to spare.

I doubt that it would happen in lojban, but an interesting thought expe= riment morpheme

- Luke Bergen


On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:31 AM, <MorphemeAddi= ct@wmconnect.com> wrote:
In a mess= age dated 5/31/2009 23:57:24 Eastern Daylight Time, adam.raizen@gmail.com writes:


I'm sure that coming up with a = system that fulfilled the same design goals as Lojban but didn't requir= e learners to memorize 0-3 extra combining forms for every root word would = not prove to be overly ambitious.


One possibility would be to create the rafsi first, perhaps using all t= he CVC and CCV forms, neither of which can be a cmavo, then adding more or = less arbitrary -CV to each one to make a gismu. =A0Thus the first three let= ters of each gismu would provide a unique rafsi. =A0

mu'o mi'e stevon

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