From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 03 08:27:30 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBsNF-0000XU-O8 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:27:30 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.242]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBsNC-0000X5-FE for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:27:29 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so29702rvb.46 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:27:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9zBOdjgOnKlOqcE5kNujPZesx4AeDPNgM0qqRQMaQg4=; b=YZ5wgRGiNr9414avqAh8iO0EhN8x3MXgZKqo1DS5XFMlJUtmbl0AxKGNg0FYdK9SLN ZgZbWcibjPgY5QyII20H4QVEIHQNCQL4qgHsKZBpA1Lf/JKkXFZtaSZRkaKL5DWlE8us 9ttllgyuH1Y2qOrihcxKPs5pDym6bwqkdO/ds= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=olFo1banXW1nl6pCQ/THQ+ISJTOOyUr5UM9C4PxPhSMQ/B/jIPVijS2UYjwONT7QHe wdYpzipWpiqQiOObJqQBBKeq6F9huAgXCIX0cmiztuQ9I/12z+Fopd8zj9dR96cWVYGM g+Ms6Bur6yZ0gJEUNFsmZ2BpwRQDORW1UURts= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.100.194 with SMTP id z2mr757577vcn.68.1244042844681; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:27:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96f789a60906030813j289d35a0ofde4c560e634d16a@mail.gmail.com> References: <96f789a60905250431y7a22bcf5qb549c8ed730e94c8@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20906021752s2a4833a9nc1a41ffe6544fb06@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300906022150p7b2409afqe2ecfc5fc7bc9cce@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60906030813j289d35a0ofde4c560e634d16a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:27:24 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300906030827j2c8a5423m66a7d86064e7aed9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: vlapir From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64f6a66d7b780046b734b56 X-archive-position: 15640 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e64f6a66d7b780046b734b56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting. I once saw someone correcting my un-grammatical post by saying "... di'u cu malgerna..." and was trying to mirror that. Is "... di'u cu malgerna..." not quite right in the same way that "di'u cu xamgu gerna" isn't? - Luke Bergen On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > .u'i mi se zdile .i ku'i mi na jimpe lo remoi be lo za'e vlaxra .i xu > di'u > > xamgu gerna > > Not exactly. The x2 of jimpe needs to be an fact (du'u) that you > don't understand. In this case, you should simply slip a "fi" in > front of the "lo remoi..." to say that the domain of what you don't > understand (i.e. the x3 place) is the 2nd picture, without specifying > what it is you don't understand, which we'd understand from context. > > More problematic is your last sentence. You are being too literal > in your translating "was that last utterance good grammar?" To start > with, you aren't worried about whether it's beneficial to someone > (xamgu), but whether it's "correct" (drani). Secondly, "gerna" is the > grammar itself, he system of rules governing a language. The > utterance isn't a gerna, but a "te gerna". So you might have said > something like "xu di'u drani lo ka te gerna [la lojban]" (although > I'm not sure that's quite correct, either), or maybe "xu di'u mupli lo > drani te gerna [be la lojban]" > > --gejyspa > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --0016e64f6a66d7b780046b734b56 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting.=A0 I once saw someone correcting my un-grammatical post by say= ing "... di'u cu malgerna..." and was trying to mirror that.= =A0 Is "... di'u cu malgerna..." not quite right in the same = way that "di'u cu xamgu gerna" isn't?

- Luke Bergen


On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Michael= Turniansky <= mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> .u'i mi se zdile .i ku'i mi na jimpe lo remoi be lo za'e v= laxra .i xu di'u
> xamgu gerna

=A0Not exactly. =A0The x2 of jimpe needs to be an fact (du'u) th= at you
don't understand. =A0In this case, you should simply slip a "fi&qu= ot; in
front of the "lo remoi..." to say that the domain of what you don= 't
understand (i.e. the x3 place) is the 2nd picture, without specifying
what it is you don't understand, which we'd understand from context= .

=A0More problematic is your last sentence. =A0You are being too literal in your translating "was that last utterance good grammar?" =A0To= start
with, you aren't worried about whether it's beneficial to someone (xamgu), but whether it's "correct" (drani). =A0Secondly, &qu= ot;gerna" is the
grammar itself, he system of rules governing a language. =A0The
utterance isn't a gerna, but a "te gerna". =A0So you might ha= ve said
something like "xu di'u drani lo ka te gerna [la lojban]" (al= though
I'm not sure that's quite correct, either), or maybe "xu di= 9;u mupli lo
drani te gerna [be la lojban]"

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa


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