From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 16 08:41:10 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MGamc-0004U1-7c for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:41:10 -0700 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.16] helo=mail.cec.wustl.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MGamV-0004Ry-Rv for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:41:09 -0700 Received: from grid.cec.wustl.edu (grid.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.20.97]) by mail.cec.wustl.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBC91E8085; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:40:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: by grid.cec.wustl.edu (Postfix, from userid 29287) id 934C312808D; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:40:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grid.cec.wustl.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84919128061; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:40:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:40:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: nei In-Reply-To: <5715b9300906121722g561ebf1g3b517aac25d644b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <5715b9300906121722g561ebf1g3b517aac25d644b7@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LRH 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-archive-position: 15670 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Luke Bergen wrote: > so I just stumbled across "nei" in my readings. It seems like some > fun mischief can be had here... > > mi nelci lo te cizra be fa nei > > Or does "nei" not include "nei" in the repeated bridi? {nei} includes itself, that part is just fine. But there are a few weird things with your sentence. {nei} is not a sumti; it is a selbri. So you'd probably want {lo su'u nei} (or {du'u}, {nu}, or whatever other abstraction you want there). And The other issue is that your {fa} is filling the x1 of {te cizra}, which is the x3 of {cirza}. I strongly suspect that what you actually wanted was {lo te cizra be fi lo su'u nei}, the property in which the entire bridi is strange. Actually, once {nei} is embedded in the {su'u}, it may only refer to that bridi; you may need {no'a} to get to the main bridi. mi nelci lo te cizra be fi lo su'u no'a -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ dei se du'u no'a To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.