From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 16 08:48:03 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MGatG-00052l-Vt for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:48:03 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.145]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MGat6-00050E-A2 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:48:00 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so2728253qwc.58 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vqPVvHNix2Ys7xMPgBPmFFHFej24lHUieUFyQKzo6DY=; b=V4zRBlLHItIjASbTjvopWMB/lOJO2ydjyibzRnFw5Q1YoaUPY/AOuai4g3TPhS+cPE POTS0pAHQVB3qFQQnpxS21owrvc4JOEEwEGKZ+JLtdOT7Josgtuv8sGOrdzBtZR3y28y OC7fTrQGn+oKyQedLg3qFdM+w9qflJVMXWxns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wGSFThmhr/pI1Y/EcX9xPbPmJc+EaqJveWocjsH6dlw4n9nwEOKQkizhscTjFl358n iR9gNNG1Z2Noslh8tE2uctQ/p2GwlHCJtzSgPfZIfoXAwQxzKQBcd4BWKJ0ZdVLMzfpO CNUefNLdENxr3qr6pnPqEhLYVhoCFMcC3v46Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.45.71 with SMTP id d7mr5810841vcf.5.1245167270507; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5715b9300906121722g561ebf1g3b517aac25d644b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:47:50 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300906160847u2d01aff5nc14e2507d9a28d9f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: nei From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6469750d84212046c79181f X-archive-position: 15671 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e6469750d84212046c79181f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ahh, yes, good point. That's what I was going for. I feel like a good poem/limerick in which the punch-line (last line) of the poem involved {nei}/{no'a} creating a kind of linguistic version of "the song that never ends" where the punchline is itself a repetition of the setup followed by the punchline which is itself.... - Luke Bergen On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Adam D. Lopresto wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Luke Bergen wrote: > > so I just stumbled across "nei" in my readings. It seems like some >> fun mischief can be had here... >> >> mi nelci lo te cizra be fa nei >> >> Or does "nei" not include "nei" in the repeated bridi? >> > > {nei} includes itself, that part is just fine. But there are a few weird > things with your sentence. > > {nei} is not a sumti; it is a selbri. So you'd probably want {lo su'u nei} > (or {du'u}, {nu}, or whatever other abstraction you want there). And > > The other issue is that your {fa} is filling the x1 of {te cizra}, which is > the x3 of {cirza}. I strongly suspect that what you actually wanted was > {lo > te cizra be fi lo su'u nei}, the property in which the entire bridi is > strange. > > Actually, once {nei} is embedded in the {su'u}, it may only refer to that > bridi; you may need {no'a} to get to the main bridi. > > mi nelci lo te cizra be fi lo su'u no'a > -- > Adam Lopresto > http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ > > dei se du'u no'a > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --0016e6469750d84212046c79181f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahh, yes, good point.=A0 That's what I was going for.=A0 I feel like a = good poem/limerick in which the punch-line (last line) of the poem involved= {nei}/{no'a} creating a kind of linguistic version of "the song t= hat never ends" where the punchline is itself a repetition of the setu= p followed by the punchline which is itself....

- Luke Bergen


On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Adam D= . Lopresto <ada= m@pubcrawler.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Luke Bergen wrote:
so I just stumbled across "nei" in my readings. =A0It seems like = some
fun mischief can be had here...

mi nelci lo te cizra be fa nei

Or does "nei" not include "nei" in the repeated bridi?<= br>

{nei} includes itself, that part is just fine. =A0But there are a few weird=
things with your sentence.

{nei} is not a sumti; it is a selbri. =A0So you'd probably want {lo su&= #39;u nei}
(or {du'u}, {nu}, or whatever other abstraction you want there). =A0And=

The other issue is that your {fa} is filling the x1 of {te cizra}, which is=
the x3 of {cirza}. =A0I strongly suspect that what you actually wanted was = {lo
te cizra be fi lo su'u nei}, the property in which the entire bridi is<= br> strange.

Actually, once {nei} is embedded in the {su'u}, it may only refer to th= at
bridi; you may need {no'a} to get to the main bridi.

mi nelci lo te cizra be fi lo su'u no'a
--
Adam Lopresto
http://cec.wust= l.edu/~adam/

dei se du'u no'a



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