From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 21 19:06:58 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MIYvy-0001Nl-8t for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:06:58 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com ([209.85.217.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MIYvv-0001MZ-2r for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:06:58 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so12595895gxk.10 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:06:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3e22IoXjoQ3dLgzlf1rEvFZxRFRs3B2/nhjUVVuEVqM=; b=PpMr4KFHS50Xv2e5N7tfgBXkZL2UkN/idiZJOX59HBYLQ5A7paGSrSVTjLZRu5GOUz llG9T+RDSMJlUrUJA9kDidWjsy8/fqje6LuWzcf6BH1NhheFY1fxy4+s6BHaIZrV6yrN KRYnHdpjd5+7QoKy3pDq3ZN44njhy1hvaxf1o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fWg9R8yMc2Oo9geyFFOFCCkOEsCKvtU241c4/j/v71FODUiS4l4bRCrmGgQ1Hl3OjM k8AabEFi25uSJgNR5ZVeCOKAOjQsdT5jo2I7/U1Q/sTd0xg+KY2ZXq+gAMG1bDCEn/Pj GZfAKeDv/H7NsvS/Rr30H5GYEwHyxAw5EPpaY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.40.5 with SMTP id i5mr1738597ibe.52.1245636408556; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:06:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <836491.16571.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <479039.23077.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20090621202955.GC23324@nvg.org> <836491.16571.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:06:48 -0400 Message-ID: <425e4ac20906211906n440c0184t9b5f2630b8f99f91@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Regarding the gismu {vlagi}. From: Stela Selckiku To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 15684 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: selckiku@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Lindar Greenwood wrote: > > Couldn't this word be freed up to be used for another word? Yes.  The whole language could be freed up, and you could replace it with one that makes sense.  Good luck. ;) > I mean, if we're making specialised words for things, why don't we > have a word specifically for "switch" {vrabatke/vraga batke} or "door" > {vrogai} instead of calling them lever-buttons and passageway-covers? We do have specialized words for switch and door, they're just not gismu. There's no shame in being a lujvo. They're just words-- it takes practice remember to even be able to tell that "vrogai" is in a different category because of the diphthong at the end. One could just as easily imagine a Lojban where things were reversed, and we had a word for "switch" which was made into "button" by saying "flat+switch" and a word for "door" that was made into "doorway" by saying "door+hole". I don't see any particular reason to prefer that Lojban over ours. > Even then, I've had a large argument over my preference for the word > {vrabatke} because most feel that {batke} covers all manner of actuators, > switches, buttons, dials, etc. and there's no need to differentiate between > them. I think that "vrabatke" is a beautiful word, and I intend to use it myself. It's true though that "batke" does include switches and so forth-- the general rule with gismu is that their meanings are very broad. So in my opinion a switch can be called a "batke", or it can be called a "vrabatke" if you want to be more specific. mu'o mi'e la selckiku To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.