From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 07 13:15:38 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MOH4j-0008DA-Nr for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:15:38 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f202.google.com ([209.85.212.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MOH4e-0008CR-Om for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:15:37 -0700 Received: by vwj40 with SMTP id 40so3906180vwj.28 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:15:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LC0nPJVym5YFbQoXd3msfEC5qVC9glqG4Fdsg+OIUkM=; b=i/0x2lMsrFVtUT4hBGk9jGJVx98ZXFh1cKbHJwEwRzFsr4nPqdrJRxLTn9v7HuFgBs dkyj0vCcQKYli2Czy1Xoy+eqTkCacryTPMB6ftv6eNxszcHFzxvdSOAdxvJWJgOxSUsG FeJjlRsFoYcVzRj7V6V4ClRekcDdFWHZ8YDxQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=O1eTV0F66wdDPhJ5q28aaSGmCVuDvKDV73jsEzwWyRjA+RF1ic23ijv1YaP0HMVG8z 0qWyZpjnzCkRZxUeM9jkE0AvFu24C61mC5f7uW//zfT9OlfrggKdkYrY1TOJydb8Ggto kaPfzuAEG4WmBL6X5gOHMJ+FXJJNNO1UHeVT0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.76.80 with SMTP id b16mr1904584vck.96.1246997726205; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:15:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5715b9300907061511i235db06aw29796806ba848d1e@mail.gmail.com> <20090706221840.GA25319@sdf.lonestar.org> <5715b9300907061540i62ad61e1pe123d4c0d7da1abd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:15:26 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300907071315y4b9dce2aq75cbfe704af4bca7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: zo si si si From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6469d1481994f046e234891 X-archive-position: 15737 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e6469d1481994f046e234891 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wasn't reasoning that the "si" is being canceled by the following "si" but that when "si" erases the quoted "si" it now leaves us with the string "mi cusku zo " and now we have "si" again, so we have "mi cusku zo si" because {zo} goes ahead and quotes the next word like it always does like the following: (imagine this being spoken) 1) mi cusku zo si (I say 'si') 2) si (now I've canceled the quoted si leaving us with "mi cusku zo") 3) si (now I've given "zo" something to quote so we have "mi cusku zo si" like we had in step 1) 4) si (now we've repeated step 2) 5) si (step 3) 6) si (step 2) ... ... - Luke Bergen On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Daniel Brockman wrote: > I understand your reasoning, Luke, but if {si si} would cancel out to > the empty string, then there would be no way of erasing multiple > words. > > You can compare this to undo functionality in text editors. Emacs > works similarly to how you expected Lojban to work: if you undo > something in Emacs, you can always undo the undoing. In Lojban, you > can't undo undoing and there is no automatic redo. > > -- > Daniel Brockman > daniel@brockman.se > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --0016e6469d1481994f046e234891 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wasn't reasoning that the "si" is being canceled by the fol= lowing "si" but that when "si" erases the quoted "= si" it now leaves us with the string "mi cusku zo " and now = we have "si" again, so we have "mi cusku zo si" because= {zo} goes ahead and quotes the next word like it always does like the foll= owing:

(imagine this being spoken)

1) mi cusku zo si (I say 'si'= ;)
2) si (now I've canceled the quoted si leaving us=A0 with "m= i cusku zo")
3) si (now I've given "zo" something to = quote so we have "mi cusku zo si" like we had in step 1)
4) si (now we've repeated step 2)
5) si (step 3)
6) si (step 2)...
...

- Luke Bergen


On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Daniel B= rockman <dbrock= man@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand your reasoning, Luke, but if {si si} would cancel out to
the empty string, then there would be no way of erasing multiple
words.

You can compare this to undo functionality in text editors. Emacs
works similarly to how you expected Lojban to work: if you undo
something in Emacs, you can always undo the undoing. In Lojban, you
can't undo undoing and there is no automatic redo.

--
Daniel Brockman
daniel@brockman.se


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