From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jul 20 15:40:40 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MT1XE-0007Uo-29 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:40:40 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com ([209.85.218.227]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MT1X7-0007TK-Nk for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:40:39 -0700 Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so2049732bwz.34 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:40:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4OX6UBAvoFFJV9fYnqY+xKBgii4PwIRRMXs5xsvIulU=; b=MrM1h4bVPLoL9N6Ko3DRnBzyTaBs9/W1ksthIa2worwpDCjFXv4cj4psdcq54Q/eWN GIfipXKl5Lbqat1wLZHIxVmJ3rFGU04bq+bHaLwXyXMQPqQATuLeYz5GNOXCbNxEtZ0G ifgHlIw3h+MuM0NaBQ/B3cXcn5leIVO+KTufk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aSsJF729knYdVX9Zr+w+NB5Tj9G8mUt0TcGBdiP6zmxriZmCCea6Tm25MSk6QT1Jis 5A22ztrAvdYGuZP0qmwmV23RBlVI8zoQ/fDqVdPBc+JTsVngFPFmRN+U2Rl2nEdR2XBF WuDNNEYPZMdKiJrB2lSsYNPGVWtPKNR52g+v8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.55.140 with SMTP id u12mr4805246bkg.98.1248129626943; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:40:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090720203941.GA29625@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <126025.43169.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20090720203941.GA29625@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:40:26 -0400 Message-ID: <55b258c20907201540x6ebe2e6fr413ef423951d9aba@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Philosophical differences. From: Craig Daniel To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 15780 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Minimiscience wrote: >> 3. Cultural gismu. >> >> Just fix it already. > > Yes, they need to be fixed, but how?  Should we add more cultural {gismu} or > remove cultural {gismu}?  Should we completely reorganize the cultural {gismu} > into a set of generic cultures and words for subdividing them into hierarchies > in a way that will be seen as completely racist by our grandchildren?  Should > we just leave it as it is and stick with flimsy excuses for why they shouldn't > or don't need to be changed?  If you're complaining about a lack of a solution, > perhaps you should suggest a solution of your own. Alternatively, work within the baseline for as long as we have it (note that post-gafyfantytei the language is not going to be changed by fiat, but rather the LLG will be serving a descriptive function as the language evolves; at that point in the hopefully-nearish future everyone gets to vote for obsoleting vlagi by not using it, for generalizing xagji by using it in ways that currently call for a "pe'a", and so forth) by using fu'ivla for cultures and simply ignoring the gismu. It won't make them go away, but it lets you express all cultures using words of equal centralness to the language. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.