From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jul 22 06:16:30 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MTbgL-0004L9-Ch for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:16:29 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f195.google.com ([209.85.210.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MTbgI-0004JZ-4Q for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:16:29 -0700 Received: by yxe33 with SMTP id 33so284232yxe.28 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:16:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vUTXNZk+4xh9FZ6wyY+Otbw511LxCbbrcCGAhBiYuBU=; b=PnX0eSupMdz+dC9fGkWJf4bf6/CuhT2HpRGzG4A2L68ztyaWgPLX7dBCEjzhXyrroG pres/ozn81rXqgfRUB0WzHtit7kbfO/dxOspRO7xE7pVu+MjC/nFrJFbulrcjCAOwgmj swFXCuKiDAfZtJtunMy5RdAf0a4AQycpWUf7g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WIJJYde57ROPx+Kll86uqSy8Y1kWbKhq9XblX15gJeGxbpnk6+1l5yvFtOD1fk46Y/ Nbc9PDuB8jZ1reYVqrvu5JmyC2WwguAR8Gx3x4nGC4DjMVGm8KJ7L2uycGGSu/TWOT+t hF2dhHvpBLbSzQqgHuJgJf2zgbfRgO1j8YfUo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.101.3 with SMTP id d3mr835561ybm.269.1248268580132; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:16:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:16:20 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60907220616q655f4ccbt8fae1bf4c04de61b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: ce'u and se/sel From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 15792 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Arran wrote: > I believe I have misunderstood the meaning of ce'u, can someone explain why > you would ever use ce'u when you have the SE set, which has rasfi making it > more powerful. > Does one ever HAVE to use "ce'u"? No, probably not. But it's there to mimic a lot of natural language constructions. Here's one example from my translation of Esther: "le citni'u cu melbi fi lo ka velski ce'u kei" -> "The maiden was pretty to look at". Also, remember, that theoretically at least, every "ka" construction and the like needs a "ce'u" in it. If it's not explicitly there, it's assumed by convention to be put in the first available space. But it's not necessarily so. --gejyspa To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.