From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 28 08:57:47 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVp3i-0006JT-LJ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:57:47 -0700 Received: from web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.117]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVp3e-0006Ie-SH for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:57:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 40812 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2009 15:57:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248796655; bh=EqafrAGQIqKB7ShqLHo/l7sii1WMFrc8aQCr46yd7X4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t4cXQomM2a6imWwDCF9EmtGCpa6O2sK1xP4tIn9XcQ7sIzjLdo9k2JKIsbuE7vJZeAtfSyrp+couyT4Lc2psQI9nw1IfSUKGsAWEIwNhz3tSm+Z1LHxQoZ8+qF5FyTYyhnmU2Oog5FsFIOsP6i5fyNXkiy+WbGDSLZ3x2WxYLDk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EZTaQRpBxnn5E3t4UwCJkxilRE3hloIJbMlhloaaENMkpN771caamRamuCM4GrTbc7izetCYFiOhi4UOJJ57rB74dlTMIxe6ZmorTCdjgq7XmUjSyey8r48pE93vYar4b5ylRLjjLgXYR5oP2MGBBuPn13817S7nKKuAzecEBAM=; Message-ID: <664922.39992.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ra42ydoVM1mSh7vlQYsmfscL_c1sksVuJJISNJg7adTYwP9hXdS17WLLEa25nqVc2y5Ai1M_HRKHjhOHWBB8STGRkDhyyOmVzf8cUSdshQ6_4_7Vj1YoddWqAXbyRluAW5MW9MmYJK_.XtZOzG.ZTwrwCivuRxMYDz2fIP_rwXhiyecWJsBnQKUBMemVzLjjuzxVzZ145_todQyY1..AwzDk7adI7Zur_ddhVUoRA9eWqoFwdb7O.oUrlBGEDPBevO.9hlxmQM7Oz_RHg0HLbxR5Pdv9QzFif6uIrz5nQ7ZTwl76QzLH571q8g.fqvTiAsF6SJrSCZNm4DEWwMalk6LRPs7Wvg-- Received: from [24.207.224.145] by web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:57:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <200907280045.44937.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60907280533n45388b3dg4d9e7596e5c1e541@mail.gmail.com> <200907280859.09514.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60907280709h7960f3fftc2c9a5a083360ed2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:57:35 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: elliptical sentences To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <96f789a60907280709h7960f3fftc2c9a5a083360ed2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-587526308-1248796655=:39992" X-archive-position: 15820 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0-587526308-1248796655=:39992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh dar God, what has 'lo' become now ________________________________ From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:09:29 AM Subject: [lojban] Re: elliptical sentences On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 08:33:56 Michael Turniansky wrote: >>> Huh? Am I missing something here? What's elliptical about it? >>> --gejyspa > >The complete statement would be "The genes for seeing red and green are on the >>X chromosome; the gene for seeing blue is on the 7th chromosome". The gene >>for seeing red isn't red, so calling it "lo xunre" isn't literally right. Do >>I have to say at least "lo xunre co'e"? > Ah, now I understand, and further understand why you mentioned "jgina" in your first message. Taken completely out of context, I had no idea what the English sentence meant. I thought you were just talking about abstract things... well, let's see.. you could certainly get away with saying "le" rather than "lo" since even in xorlo there's no implication that it's actually colored that way. --gy --0-587526308-1248796655=:39992 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Oh dar God, what has 'lo' become now

From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:09:29 AM
Subject: [lojban] Re: elliptical sentences



On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 08:33:56 Michael Turniansky wrote:
>   Huh?  Am I missing something here?  What's elliptical about it?
>               --gejyspa

The complete statement would be "The genes for seeing red and green are on the
X chromosome; the gene for seeing blue is on the 7th chromosome". The gene
for seeing red isn't red, so calling it "lo xunre" isn't literally right. Do
I have to say at least "lo xunre co'e"?


   Ah, now I understand, and further understand why you mentioned "jgina" in your first message.  Taken completely out of context, I had no idea what the English sentence meant.  I thought you were just talking about abstract things...  well, let's see.. you could certainly get away with saying "le" rather than "lo" since even in xorlo there's no implication that it's actually colored that way.

            --gy



 


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