From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 28 11:18:15 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVrFf-0006i9-If for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:18:15 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f222.google.com ([209.85.217.222]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVrFc-0006hD-Nc for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:18:15 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22so360495gxk.0 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:18:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kFosX0CsVvbc9EKgjK0Bk+hK8MDj+gruUC9cjHCrYy0=; b=BvTm5OxrQaI0EAy7EBKKssxxHR/JdTgX7V+pde/Fzz+EVCaCyjD9IayKIUUgfOaJk2 ncXUfi1opv3kIHqKOVO4TEkEMzg2L1+CiCADvJe8GERptq220OPdiIRup8G1BxpPcUFa U+ZyZ2yWREakKcSz623DPIZLRjY4CVQCpcqW8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JgObRU+rC1vnKd6uyC6BEBuM0TzepMb2Vuv9iGUo5jytdd7T8IxwJo3GnbVJhIqwh2 7DKSANVL9Ua8DJadbIKhZnkgVbYXbbwHwntWak+S4Qdxyqe204HbwAaHDYu69Z/EYyPl HKLfTZ9kXxMwBRi5cDogI6xVJ9RmlwjmQP36s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.80.18 with SMTP id d18mr7242383agb.104.1248805086169; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:18:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300907281107v3c30f7cfs2664ef246a2edbb9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200907280045.44937.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60907280533n45388b3dg4d9e7596e5c1e541@mail.gmail.com> <200907280859.09514.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60907280709h7960f3fftc2c9a5a083360ed2@mail.gmail.com> <664922.39992.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5715b9300907280903t63cd372du13da398fe2e4b7ac@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560907281046h181eba2bmbad07d736c9460e5@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300907281107v3c30f7cfs2664ef246a2edbb9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:18:04 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560907281118kaf5901cne6dca20e8a0449e1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: elliptical sentences From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 15829 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > I understood that to mean that if I say "mi viska lo pavyseljirna" that I am > not saying "I see a unicorn which really exists" but rather that I am saying > "I see some thing which I describe as 'a unicorn'".  Am I misunderstanding > that? It means "I see a unicorn" or "I see unicorns". There is nothing said about describing or existing. Of course, things that don't exist are hard to see, but that has nothing to do with "lo". "mi pensi lo pavyseljirna" means "I think about unicorns", which is easier than seeing them, and again has nothing to do with existence. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.