From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 28 12:12:41 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVs6K-0003tr-Nw for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:12:40 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f220.google.com ([209.85.217.220]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVs6I-0003sn-2K for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:12:40 -0700 Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so690635gxk.10 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:12:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=75N5mckwQAi31OhH/mgN/flnDkjyk5Fn847wamkyBV8=; b=QTPw0zuFqKsPOCp38tiOHskyVgoPHa1KTOkBaoPW45jqzD67iqjMGX2c9zERKekB8v CnzfOIXtVDVOG9ece/aG8ysdBlZsFq4rTqIlthU/afRNyp80NIkHaZbLM4kfWnBAjgCc vVWlXrI8emMF/LcTGukn5WRvq3SEyKl1KG6Ow= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=P4S2o7tj6G6O1HcvM+Wt36K1LHSxzxp/YccZzy0f+UzJrU5LSlGl80GFaB+mw9nEzU qu59f0/XDFLYrIkVMyFQbZQie89Mt3oZtcpeGhf54A8lS1UDxgRo+WHFb7ONOVLz2hS4 RtZ8t0+duDdW+k+WboGxTkL659ceafQePiPeE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.94.2 with SMTP id r2mr7291380agb.19.1248808351977; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:12:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300907281142u35568dccyaa7706062f7a7a8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200907280045.44937.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60907280533n45388b3dg4d9e7596e5c1e541@mail.gmail.com> <200907280859.09514.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60907280709h7960f3fftc2c9a5a083360ed2@mail.gmail.com> <664922.39992.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5715b9300907280903t63cd372du13da398fe2e4b7ac@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560907281046h181eba2bmbad07d736c9460e5@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300907281107v3c30f7cfs2664ef246a2edbb9@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560907281118kaf5901cne6dca20e8a0449e1@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300907281142u35568dccyaa7706062f7a7a8e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:12:31 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560907281212t6390ff59k531d7536b3cfc67@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: elliptical sentences From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 15831 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > ok, so what do you mean by "lo is veridical"? Basically, that "lo broda" can only refer to things that truly are broda. > I didn't know what the word > meant and went to http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Averidical > which says stuff about "coinciding with reality" which as you said, "[lo] > says nothing about describing or existing".  So what do you mean when you > say "lo is and always has been veridical"? A veridical description is a truthful description, yes. It doesn't mean that what you describe has to exist, only that it has to be what you are describing it as. If you say "lo pavyseljirna" then you are talking about unicorns, not about apples or about the sea. You are not claiming that unicorns exist, you are just saying something about unicorns. For example you may say that unicorns are mythical creatures: "lo pavyseljirna cu ranmi danlu". That's fine and does not claim that unicorns exist. It can't mean that warewolves are mythical creatures, because "lo" is veridical, so "lo pavyseljirna" refers to unicorns not to warewolves. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.