From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jul 30 05:35:07 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MWUqh-0002BJ-9A for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:35:07 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MWUqb-00028U-4T for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:35:06 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090730123454343.DASH26619@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:34:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B47433C4 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:34:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Philosophical differences. Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:34:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <126025.43169.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <126025.43169.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200907300834.44427.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 15849 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Monday 20 July 2009 08:46:55 Lindar Greenwood wrote: > 3. Cultural gismu. > > Just fix it already. What's broken? 5. Animal names. The gimste includes two words for Galliformes and two for Anseriformes, and none whatsoever for the largest order of birds, Passeriformes. There are more species of fish than of all land vertebrates combined, yet we have no gismu more specific than "finpe". The gismu don't distinguish arachnids from crustaceans; I don't know anyone who doesn't know a decapod from a spider, though they may not know what, say, a pillbug is. 6. Chemical names. Chemical nomenclature is very similar to lujvo formation, much more than animal nomenclature is. There should be gismu (with rafsi of course) for common morphemes like "-ate" and "hypo-" and "iso-", and a way to distinguish between different uses of numbers in chemical names ("tri-" means there are three copies of a radical; "3-" means it's connected to the third carbon atom). 7. Folk units. The Roman weight units include the libra and the uncia, which have spread throughout Europe, changing value as they went. The Indian units are maund, seer, chittak, and tola. All Lojban has is the bunda. On Monday 20 July 2009 19:31:38 Stela Selckiku wrote: > That's a much deeper sin of the gismu list: It completely conflates > the purposes of creating a basic vocabulary and creating a library of > combining forms, and thus does both terribly. I agree. A basic vocabulary including a variety of short fu'ivla would have been good. Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.