From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 05 06:59:45 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYh1s-0005ru-Lr for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:59:45 -0700 Received: from web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.124]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYh1o-0005qi-Lc for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:59:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 39090 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2009 13:59:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249480774; bh=GUACskxTY3deXo3qSjrP0Zwl4VXrDq1bEtGstAkISFU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OE0DFY2NT7uxmFN6E1lqHCEgm6FlhPOGY2TzboOQkkPt0reQvhdkJV3/u+4mr0A0JsMYFSh2IVuGvdCqE5xfg0YVSkRjytxbJVUKZMoIpOj3VWAmxYoAp363gjDdQKZxgVC8fmGHE9kSOs+WgLVsFLP9XOzq1nVcgqsQ48s8CQQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pDuIwbJm8p5DH0NzpiRmhqdVczj0l0vINj4qeyPYA76gSTkbAJv2mhnTp23n0Kq5HWjipsbZ9vsNxYQhK6a1f8dmFW1kXtR3G2EMThup8XWxaCyZjnoL2Vl+sAfSaTHceNkc5XOuP8Xnh9X+U2Aa0wPXMMX7EMR5+VsWNpeMotc=; Message-ID: <987611.38248.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: O2ANiwsVM1mrW.UdieMOHt02D2WcfKP2whkX5PSDTsBLrTUfthp9vkzLdv47WDKEIE9UktSNZaCHqor4UxMbOfaxgwo0.9.QzFvvYdQWOnfhYG3Mxo7UQfhRG9uxRJ3cgeOzwnotOkT3rqfJOhzZ3.th9fLKqGm57OPVwWL_dIngaH5yYn68iZ1P09zvAu9cAwpsPCTKv2SBylLQ_bZjyoYI9H7D7gMoWUYikBg9WPqIWYrSUPW31UBXmDmcc.jcQnu9sue7sRF50iOPQa2i9qKCigJiNkfEewEcM7wOgmF4ygSFhY9x6_eB3qgSwtL04hmdxkiU0E_JyvD6lbcVDb0GvfRA5gEgcoDYjNws Received: from [24.207.224.145] by web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:59:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:59:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: Experiments in Sapir Whorf To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-835782962-1249480773=:38248" X-archive-position: 15901 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0-835782962-1249480773=:38248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The negative results of sixty years (more or less, probably more) of trying to formulate a testable hypothesis that is even vaguely related to what Ed and Ben said. The best of these (possibly testable) were either trivially true (the vocab cases) or blatantly false (the strong metaphysical determination cases), and only the latter looked much like what the two actually said. Of the rest, the untestable ones (though it didn't stop people from claiming to try) yielded no significant results (of course) and the testable ones had nought to do with the professor and the claims adjuster (and the results were still generally negative). ________________________________ From: "MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:30:22 PM Subject: [lojban] Re: Experiments in Sapir Whorf In a message dated 8/3/2009 15:39:24 Eastern Daylight Time, kali9putra@yahoo.com writes: SWH is about deep level grammatical categories and ontology, not about vocabulary tricks. (It is still a crock, of course, but at least it is an interesting crock). > > What evidence do you have that it's a crock? stevo --0-835782962-1249480773=:38248 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

The negative results of sixty years (more or less, probably more) of trying to formulate a testable hypothesis that is even vaguely related to what Ed and Ben said. The best of these (possibly testable) were either trivially true (the vocab cases) or blatantly false (the strong metaphysical determination cases), and only the latter looked much like what the two actually said. Of the rest, the untestable ones (though it didn't stop people from claiming to try) yielded no significant results (of course) and the testable ones had nought to do with the professor and the claims adjuster (and the results were still generally negative).

From: "MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com" <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:30:22 PM
Subject: [lojban] Re: Experiments in Sapir Whorf

In a message dated 8/3/2009 15:39:24 Eastern Daylight Time, kali9putra@yahoo.com writes:

SWH is about deep level grammatical categories and ontology, not about vocabulary tricks. (It is still a crock, of course, but at least it is an interesting crock).

What evidence do you have that it's a crock?

stevo

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