From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Aug 21 16:07:52 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MedD6-00012e-Ja for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:07:52 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MedD4-00012U-0u for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:07:52 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so921906vws.25 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:07:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=h2kwa6jNUVXQgc+5+sjYkiQVtq/yYJ8Iny01T9q7iZw=; b=Kg1e6sRxSHtjjcMWLK0IGF07uUSw1Z+ui75PZVu2+ontRd7TQUSLktDfdY989c5EqA 9R4x8xTDAlYc2m6bJPyj6NZUn9EWORDlZohxw3WfmSuaCxtm73ohwvoVGQQcz70M0kE7 L/y5icIQk8HlJZR6WdO16mCbG+MbeLvoXu3NU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=QD2lJyge1uJvf9lvcA3gGLbBZ9w8F5wf/mWPqY2M58RtQFWIUQ8OVBaIPywkyhmNwO H6blwRs+wi4YsHKvXBq20la1+3xxSharnVNdqEeFskTBdptwSJ0qztFCQQ6sELwaWV7x ybtio9ZLyaI/rTPTKyj/IyaCNrHW0mF+c4/h4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.79.139 with SMTP id p11mr590253vck.29.1250896063794; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:07:43 -0400 Message-ID: <95b2fb130908211607j2988a3f3u5d58550dd8d5fa30@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Modal se si'u From: "H. Felton" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 15990 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fagricipni@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list In the draft Reference Grammar, the modal si'u is said to derived from sidju. sidju is defined in gismu.txt as meaning "x1 helps/assists/aids object/person x2 do/achieve/maintain event/activity x3", yet in the Reference Grammar (Chapter 9, Section 17) the table says that "se si'u" approximately means "assisting in"; it would seem to me that "te si'u" would be closer in meaning to that: "se si'u" would seem to be closer to "assisting person". Am I missing some point, or is the Reference Grammar flawed on this point? To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.