From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 24 08:18:35 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MfbJb-00079X-41 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:18:35 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f219.google.com ([209.85.217.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MfbJV-00078T-QA for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:18:34 -0700 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so4055889gxk.0 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:18:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dvTRd/n0kxsod67AqPvfsjWRjZ1MDAEfox4+3PLMeA8=; b=dUALD7bsN02AmlYN+1CAcvQhYHzBYCXuRBlJa88PQzJ8M7PZu+nVyGTVPRvNgM1LuF HnUT+niWuVFtvaXRe4WSQmkJcYpLTiXY/eUeRd3XyrqHAgviacF6fOKKbbfTxbcFWXkU izkI+XHicEUmXwIS9eaOOEPgp5N0mdFmgJzGk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EMkM6Piqvc/Hh3bWW+doeL6sMLWzftpVSwjKNS8XqS6o/j9AGdxVPn9yrRxo41+i2G R7R6SkO7u7+UwQc5s3nBQQmjO0Yz2Mu7H1zpKcNjJRtfKZy2oBVB2P43ZaHMkjbIaBaP MwpUJv/VDF88c1ArgTEcuj+JkeqQ9vIXtByrE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.31.11 with SMTP id e11mr8070962ybe.314.1251127103264; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:18:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <95b2fb130908211607j2988a3f3u5d58550dd8d5fa30@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b2fb130908211607j2988a3f3u5d58550dd8d5fa30@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:18:23 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60908240818k3be86a65x15ce619f30df0e0d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Modal se si'u From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16001 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:07 PM, H. Felton wrote: > In the draft Reference Grammar, the modal si'u is said to derived from > sidju. sidju is defined in gismu.txt as meaning "x1 helps/assists/aids > object/person x2 do/achieve/maintain event/activity x3", yet in the > Reference Grammar (Chapter 9, Section 17) the table says that "se > si'u" approximately means "assisting in"; it would seem to me that "te > si'u" would be closer in meaning to that: "se si'u" would seem to be > closer to "assisting person".  Am I missing some point, or is the > Reference Grammar flawed on this point? > You're not missing anything. "se si'u" should be "assisting", not "assisting in" --gejyspa To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.