From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 25 15:48:31 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mg4oZ-0002yz-CD for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:48:31 -0700 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mg4oV-0002yi-Nf for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:48:31 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7PMmMut022210 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:48:23 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n7PMmLTP019323 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:48:21 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:48:21 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: How many possible gismu? Message-ID: <20090825224818.GA22578@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20090825.151921.6127.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090825.151921.6127.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 16041 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list de'i li 25 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. moorkids@juno.com .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > Sorry for not responding sooner, I learned a trick awhile ago that relates to > figuring out how many possible gismu their can be (or at least getting a very > close estimate). > [snipped] .skamyxatra Your "trick" appears to consist of blatantly ignoring the rules of Lojban morphology, imposing an arbitrary new rule about "no repeating letters," considering only half of your new pseudo-{gismu} space, and claiming that it all evens outs magically. If you want the real number of possible {gismu}, ignoring conflicts, consider that there are 17 consonants, five vowels, 48 initial consonant pairs, and 131 valid consonant pairs. A {gismu} is either "initial pair, vowel, consonant, vowel" or "consonant, vowel, consonant pair, vowel"; this comes out to 48 * 5 * 17 * 5 + 17 * 5 * 131 * 5 = 76075 possible {gismu} (again, ingoring conflicts). mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- jicmu traji zifre fa loi remna lonu senpi To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.