From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 25 16:19:54 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mg5Iv-0005Md-NQ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:19:54 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f193.google.com ([209.85.212.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mg5Is-0005MM-9J for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:19:53 -0700 Received: by vws31 with SMTP id 31so3235537vws.28 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:19:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+9uTehe/ZAz+oY4qYvwxnuUK0uSlgy8hkN3erS/iwQs=; b=TmXPoc742cOTBUt89B0efd9fywuXXA1wMlXpp96p/mpf4uUUSbB52UWVkR8ldLGkvQ PE5Ju8nYxIJyfN3ymCxY0zgSa+ABzf0+PLf4zk2FdeGb/7KE5UQVJWR01cuV0PA1neLz Ey0p3IZ68/LwSxlTmSU2OPWJh6rg/SSwCBiss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=C38DqDYHs17hI86VLCVI/Q0/a+NEIIuzPbrePlFOI13SsEPGAHRCrlT6j09B7hHYub w8cPLqLsQy1r64aNCBEFUYdbkabpLX1yHs2xB4VFvB58/SFo4+RMQIz5MqjwkzJscRD1 aJSyt1PWQK4/AqATqJc4Df2fj+e/ZX7vIuaTI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.79.66 with SMTP id o2mr9095038vck.72.1251242383790; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:19:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090825224818.GA22578@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <20090825.151921.6127.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <20090825224818.GA22578@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:19:43 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300908251619g6a366189xea7d4c4d13e41385@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: How many possible gismu? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b92cad0514a0471ff9161 X-archive-position: 16042 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016363b92cad0514a0471ff9161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where conflicts are when two gismu must not be exactly the same except for the trailing vowel? Could that be taken care of by just taking off the last "* 5"? On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 25 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. moorkids@juno.com .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. > > Sorry for not responding sooner, I learned a trick awhile ago that > relates to > > figuring out how many possible gismu their can be (or at least getting a > very > > close estimate). > > [snipped] > .skamyxatra > > Your "trick" appears to consist of blatantly ignoring the rules of Lojban > morphology, imposing an arbitrary new rule about "no repeating letters," > considering only half of your new pseudo-{gismu} space, and claiming that > it > all evens outs magically. > > If you want the real number of possible {gismu}, ignoring conflicts, > consider > that there are 17 consonants, five vowels, 48 initial consonant pairs, and > 131 > valid consonant pairs. A {gismu} is either "initial pair, vowel, > consonant, > vowel" or "consonant, vowel, consonant pair, vowel"; this comes out to 48 * > 5 * > 17 * 5 + 17 * 5 * 131 * 5 = 76075 possible {gismu} (again, ingoring > conflicts). > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. > > -- > jicmu traji zifre fa loi remna lonu senpi > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --0016363b92cad0514a0471ff9161 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable where conflicts are when two gismu must not be exactly the same except for = the trailing vowel?

Could that be taken care of by just taking off t= he last "* 5"?

On Tue, Aug 25, = 2009 at 6:48 PM, Minimiscience <minimiscience@gmail.com> wrote:
de'i li 25 pi= 'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. m= oorkids@juno.com .fy. cusku zoi
skamyxatra.
> Sorry for not responding sooner, I learned a trick a= while ago that relates to
> figuring out how many possible gismu their can be (or at least getting= a very
> close estimate).
> [snipped]
.skamyxatra

Your "trick" appears to consist of blatantly ignoring the rules o= f Lojban
morphology, imposing an arbitrary new rule about "no repeating letters= ,"
considering only half of your new pseudo-{gismu} space, and claiming that i= t
all evens outs magically.

If you want the real number of possible {gismu}, ignoring conflicts, consid= er
that there are 17 consonants, five vowels, 48 initial consonant pairs, and = 131
valid consonant pairs. =A0A {gismu} is either "initial pair, vowel, co= nsonant,
vowel" or "consonant, vowel, consonant pair, vowel"; this co= mes out to 48 * 5 *
17 * 5 + 17 * 5 * 131 * 5 =3D 76075 possible {gismu} (again, ingoring confl= icts).

mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

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