From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 04 07:47:30 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mja4Y-000454-A1 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:47:30 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f193.google.com ([209.85.212.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mja4V-00043z-7i for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:47:30 -0700 Received: by vws31 with SMTP id 31so736297vws.28 for ; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:47:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=y5F739A7yCXCzD5SJSTZcABFi147g3eboGDqJovecTg=; b=Sy3t5I0YUulKxuDMXG57hyBVz3MMcW0IQTsC1y+tvXHSbYkcsTButXw2N7/MNkJwa4 QPJ/YpnV1/nUjq4MiLmB1gc1FFrs46UFEj86boG3ROMC+vYclLo95BJCbV57fFgTlO1p 5yHQYzrrpVPYryif7wC9IGFTFq3jrjt7VcSP4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mQef/joprqxkFvCqcq87gp3oBR3HHs6Ti5XccPY4YdJITdR/B9l8tL3wlD0X0RzCz0 0Hv1jGoML7G34wp7M7WlcBTdLPMlfJy09LVCKB0pWc6V4DSwB9j3zSvNqRQVDantoqgP kihzw4iR/pNvcZO5hYZMD1siwH00EClrtImN4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.25.21 with SMTP id c21mr18715502ybj.31.1252075641019; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:47:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300909032023od042c0y5bbcdc6e4729c404@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300908240824n448315ccj221a74bdf88e79e7@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908241123y78c25648q324e24f372608a42@mail.gmail.com> <4BD12EB8-CEC5-4EE4-B43C-B9CDB034455C@georgetown.edu> <5715b9300908242154t3719840bv34a35548e0c7df85@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20909031744s47e509ccud9f42da507fbd84f@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300909032023od042c0y5bbcdc6e4729c404@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:47:20 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60909040747q11251a67p9bf3bd660ff0d2d9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Fwd: lojban and raising a child bi-lingual From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16078 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > I don't know lojban well enough yet to be 100% sure, but I believe you've > just said (in a nutshell):  you guessed right. I've for a while sporadically > wondered about speers and such.  I think lojban will be different though, > for example in lojban country there's a myth about the lojban born in the > lojban culture (not sure of the meaning here).  such lojban kids are often > imagined about (hopefully not in a perverted way).  We all (lojban people) > will help in the rearing of a lojbanic person, promise.  the event of a > lojban person is possible.  we are able. > > to which I respond: > > ki'e doi selckiku .i mi ba gasnu co te nupre fa ko > > (I'm hoping that's something like "thanks selckiku.  I'll hold you to that") Mmm... not quite. Your first sentence, while not incorrect, doesn't need the doi. ki'e already is in the COI selma'o, so it takes the person being addressed after it -- "ki'e selckiku". Your second sentence is more problematic. The "fa" marks "ko" as as being in the first place of "gasnu co te nupre" (a promised-to causer) along with yourself. It shoud be a "fi" (the one who made the promise, since "te" switches the x1 and x3 of "nupre"). But with "ko" rather than "do" it sort of means "Make me be the one that causes you to promise something to me". I'd think you'd probably want to go with more like "mi ba terfu'e .ai le selnu'e do" --gejyspa To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.