From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 08 13:21:23 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ml7Bq-0000OI-Cd for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:21:22 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f197.google.com ([209.85.210.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ml7Bn-0000NW-Gs for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:21:22 -0700 Received: by yxe35 with SMTP id 35so9021952yxe.2 for ; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:21:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=R1Qi0mWRGW+Wh0EwL81/KM/h0ugzf6QLls5w/Hb7vos=; b=eyZhKPJloRt/0DUiasGeSIakkrs3gwLut0Rk6xLMKGQqtjKMLfPHvNox/mDE6tpvbd sFoY9srlaiA75jYwBYxn4jsYna5NfwXQmhVXcL2GuNE0BGtZDeBSatYIfHB43z0tBnQU vLV2yTvw8mJ47scCOKzSEpCfUUev1/9Zc2SSU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NNgWePqc60/acLBqqAO64fQ9rLkMseFD8eNDIgQEzMlVRtEt0jBfcWN2WUG4lqwk4a 6T402ALxLpaqhlm9gOaQe2NIA28DesvSrb95453ALu9k6PSokSDn5vXMMkFJwVHblQs9 suzpVJ4DmRDDj8V28Qd7sO94QQ0mFRnLYcE/Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.88.12 with SMTP id q12mr17353396anl.117.1252441272804; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:21:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9ada8ecd0909081238j2649ee89g28c6b34c72d82b18@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ada8ecd0909051425t78a046f3kddef2869e5c8e7a2@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909080221h297baa5eqb5eba2ad6ac1d5d5@mail.gmail.com> <200909080827.14128.phma@phma.optus.nu> <9ada8ecd0909081238j2649ee89g28c6b34c72d82b18@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:21:12 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560909081321x34f3faa1u40106c6ed49b5972@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16113 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Squark Rabinovich wrote: > > This is strange. Then, lo mikce cu tavla doesn't mean that a doctor exists > which is speaking. Does it mean anything at all?! It could mean, among other things: Doctors talk. The doctors talk. A doctor talks. The doctor talks. Doctors are talking. The doctors are talking. ... Doctors talked. ... Doctors were talking. ... and many others, some more likely than others depending on the context. Since definiteness, number, and tense are not explicitly given, they have to be figured from context. In English you are forced to give definiteness, number and tense explicitly, in Lojban you can leave them out. I don't think it says anything about existence though. (At least no more existence than the existence required in order to talk, but that comes from "tavla", not from "lo".) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.