From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 09 06:27:31 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlNCs-0000iF-Jk for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:27:31 -0700 Received: from web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.121]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlNCo-0000hu-1B for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:27:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 90100 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2009 13:27:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1252502839; bh=+/yFntV1MULDkRTRXXe7WX/iG3kbwpIp3wPwo+KTZWY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BhB6G8KwRiKjfnFhMe1R3xvNVAQavBM18CVW44I/e/7d8ShBjcF01u0VK2OJA2XSdxyiQOFKH1faAtTaah+p0tvv0Ky2W17aXEceAzKIELxzSPN7d+F+mK4o9bRY8e9+9E2JVIpMTu+OCtFsH8BW2dxhDNAsyH5yOHdyZRdHHNc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2XnvSGG1rHx7WQBViOo+BS17rsVIfzvb766K34+k6cX/46AggdrMcnhk9u8PSYPqa1hzXnCbsjbU9ezwvr5JrOx18AMtVd6wtI14NiuEeOe9ZjTNQb5hm05s3GAzgkOGnhLn9FcPYtBzqJFgyZU6utJmkyDjZtKlEax/GI4cYJI=; Message-ID: <550215.83721.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: D.939GwVM1nEk1Q3PHBNe0c2nRdiRIrRuTJOhw64dOHZ2.Jf5LQoHL2XmMl4GbN_DdmJySlWtY2vh566yDMR1faOSgnegEbHgAXP9jP.WYdZ62iD0oGBn20fJrcWbiKeiY1mI3Eftn.h4N4a11dl5oFFsbcZVvDt2DyNrngPpWKB.Dp1J6U4dL66l45_vBr784cGcaSZuko1dEJv4ZaqOzXObhXszWRHobwMQ1d.P045_FMq0vhqQmYCswR2Rf.E_gqrA0AojbiSjrDAm59bOj2XWO7Lt3yGnzCpsUwCydZEpJygqYIDbli5s1Xt2znBbhrkcOPBAy.yY3F2UP3TaNcd4UECX4CIo2q5.P4Cea2hRWLwacgI7sQDwYXGPgn_j3_44rmv Received: from [24.207.224.145] by web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:27:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 References: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 06:27:19 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-68830698-1252502839=:83721" X-archive-position: 16129 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0-68830698-1252502839=:83721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, "arithmetic" in the technical sense, i.e., the theory of the natural numbers, from Peano's axioms or Frege's or from set theory by any of various routes -- or all of the above. West Coast (vs. East) in the 60's seems to have been characterized by (among several other points) by starting the natural numbers at 0 and by using variable outside the ordering to begin with, then switching over to ordinals beginning with 0. "UCLA" is just hubris, though that is where most of this stuff was done in those days. But Berkeley would do almost as well, even Stanford, but definitely not Harvard or Princeton ________________________________ From: "MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 10:33:52 PM Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo In a message dated 9/8/2009 22:11:53 Eastern Daylight Time, kali9putra@yahoo.com writes: I actually start with daxino, which tells you I learned my arithemetic at UCLA in the 60s. > > I almost wrote "daxino", but decided "daxipa" would get my point across. The only clue that would have told me that you learned your arithmetic at UCLA in the 60s is you telling me so. I know nothing about learning arithmetic at UCLA in the 60s. How did you not know arithmetic before going to UCLA? Or how do mean the phrase "learn arithmetic"? stevo --0-68830698-1252502839=:83721 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
OK, "arithmetic" in the technical sense, i.e., the theory of the natural numbers, from Peano's axioms or Frege's or from set theory by any of various routes -- or all of the above.  West Coast (vs. East) in the 60's seems to have been characterized  by (among several other points) by starting the natural numbers at 0 and by using variable outside the ordering to begin with, then switching over to ordinals beginning with 0.  "UCLA" is just hubris, though that is where most of this stuff was done in those days.  But Berkeley would do almost as well, even Stanford, but definitely not Harvard or Princeton

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In a message dated 9/8/2009 22:11:53 Eastern Daylight Time, kali9putra@yahoo.com writes:


I actually start with daxino, which tells you I learned my arithemetic at UCLA in the 60s.


I almost wrote "daxino", but decided "daxipa" would get my point across.
The only clue that would have told me that you learned your arithmetic at UCLA in the 60s is you telling me so.  I know nothing about learning arithmetic at UCLA in the 60s.  How did you not know arithmetic before going to UCLA?  Or how do mean the phrase "learn arithmetic"?

stevo

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