From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 09 13:51:02 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlU86-0004jX-79 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:51:02 -0700 Received: from kcout01.prserv.net ([12.154.55.31]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlU81-0004ir-QG for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:51:01 -0700 Received: from 216-171-189-244.northland.net ([216.171.189.244]) by prserv.net (kcout01) with SMTP id <200909092050512010026iuse> (Authid: usinet.kpreid); Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:50:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.171.189.244] Message-Id: <14010706-F7BA-4762-A184-2DC9539A1CCE@mac.com> From: Kevin Reid To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <9ada8ecd0909091328g2d96f57akb78541aa80ef4e4c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:50:49 -0400 References: <9ada8ecd0909051425t78a046f3kddef2869e5c8e7a2@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909080221h297baa5eqb5eba2ad6ac1d5d5@mail.gmail.com> <200909080827.14128.phma@phma.optus.nu> <9ada8ecd0909081238j2649ee89g28c6b34c72d82b18@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909081321x34f3faa1u40106c6ed49b5972@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909081431m6758386dgf241e2b27e99b5d7@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909081613o6eec4c9i71c10f8f418e5c17@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909091032h9c4c838x4addad9337e10f18@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909091203x10546568pdea651459f482baa@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909091328g2d96f57akb78541aa80ef4e4c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-archive-position: 16135 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: kpreid@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sep 9, 2009, at 16:28, Squark Rabinovich wrote: > Then lo nanmu cu bevri le pipno means "at least one man carries the > piano(s)". This means precisely that a situation of men that carry > the piano(s) exists, but we don't know how many men are there. Careful with that "we don't know". - The speaker may know how many men, but not say so. - The *listener* will not know how many. This phrase is not specifically indeterminate in number in the way the English "at least one ..." is; it just doesn't specify any number other than at least one. Similarly, in English "men carried the piano" implies there were su'o re men carrying the piano, but it is not specifically not-specifying the number, just leaving out the information. -- Kevin Reid To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.