From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 11 11:22:23 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MmAlK-00077R-Mt for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:22:22 -0700 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MmAlG-00076E-4r for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:22:22 -0700 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n8BILtCU018666 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:21:56 -0400 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id d.cdd.590541f4 (32913) for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:21:50 -0400 (EDT) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:21:49 EDT Subject: [lojban] Re: E-Prime & Lojban To: lojban-list@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cdd.590541f4.37dbef3d_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 11501 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-archive-position: 16161 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_cdd.590541f4.37dbef3d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/11/2009 12:28:43 Eastern Daylight Time, mikael.hall@gmail.com writes: > The "A"-type statements (Standard English) all implicitly or explicitly > assume the medieval view called "Aristotelian essentialism" or "naive > realism." > > The very next statement is more telling. > The "B"-type statements (E-Prime) recast these sentences into a form > isomorphic to modern science by first abolishing the "is" of Aristotelian > essence and then reformulating each observation in terms of signals received and > interpreted by a body (or instrument) moving in space-time. > This states that there are two parts to this form of E-Prime: 1) recasting the sentences into a form isomorphic to modern science by first abolishing the "is" of Aristotelian essence and then 2) reformulating each observation in terms of signals received and interpreted by a body (or instrument) moving in space-time. I was aware only of the first part, and even then, only as simple replacement of "be" with more appropriate words, rephrasing as necessary. The rest of 1 and all of 2 may be more truthful and contain more information based on the senses, but they are also more cumbersome. I suppose with practice one might become adept at not thinking and expressing oneself in such cumbersome ways, but for the time being (!) I'll just leave out "be" when I want to practice E-Prime. Thanks for the link. stevo --part1_cdd.590541f4.37dbef3d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a= message dated 9/11/2009 12:28:43 Eastern Daylight Time, mikael.hall@gmail= .com writes:


The "A"-type statements= (Standard English) all implicitly or explicitly assume the medieval view= called "Aristotelian essentialism" or "naive realism."=20


The very next statement is more telling. &nb= sp;
The "B"-type statements= (E-Prime) recast these sentences into a form isomorphic to modern science= by first abolishing the "is" of Aristotelian essence and then reformulati= ng each observation in terms of signals received and interpreted by a body= (or instrument) moving in space-time.


This  states that there are two parts to this form of E-Prime:
1) recasting the sentences into a form isomorphic to modern science by= first abolishing the "is" of Aristotelian essence and then=20
2) reformulating each observation in terms of signals received and int= erpreted by a body (or instrument) moving in space-time.=20

I was aware only of the first part, and even then, only as simple repl= acement of "be" with more appropriate words, rephrasing as necessary. &nbs= p;

The rest of 1 and all of 2 may be more truthful and contain more infor= mation based on the senses, but they are also more cumbersome.  I sup= pose with practice one might become adept at not thinking and expressing= oneself in such cumbersome ways, but for the time being (!) I'll just lea= ve out "be" when I want to practice E-Prime.

Thanks for the link.

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