From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 14 13:41:29 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnIMb-0002gM-5B for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:29 -0700 Received: from mail-iw0-f201.google.com ([209.85.223.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnIMW-0002fd-K9 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:29 -0700 Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so1493953iwn.25 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DGaOqNYaz3eMzAwiV8CSm2WTzeBfiGqxwsx62dKwDUw=; b=sPsyurtC2UIhy/Dqh53Y3VmMNoDThNOiJCsAh23uhU5IrzgZQ+nsV2R8xWVy4IFFi+ Zh6UGfHFvDriJUiVWN07ajR2bG4Af8V3MMhFp8IyVn0zfWrfk4VMqMPFAeRofsE4sqSR cMKcBrFgkWTHhQ1IeELLsYu8H+ddDiY0vAFqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=M5ByDoEMg9XcgOOsSv43kIin1Zns/IQdh0rv60KSq6JLHb2jierFAGpMXgEzwlgjsW 9RlG64yl1hYjjBf/280zhh681kWn3ytqFrRHxByzcQrzy7yuZK3+C38xdeUhQJPDC6E1 c8dvSENs+LnVpVNPBDGyEnDO/kjMUkc0a8isY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.121.95 with SMTP id g31mr12401658ibr.24.1252960878500; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300909032023od042c0y5bbcdc6e4729c404@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300908240824n448315ccj221a74bdf88e79e7@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908241123y78c25648q324e24f372608a42@mail.gmail.com> <4BD12EB8-CEC5-4EE4-B43C-B9CDB034455C@georgetown.edu> <5715b9300908242154t3719840bv34a35548e0c7df85@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20909031744s47e509ccud9f42da507fbd84f@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300909032023od042c0y5bbcdc6e4729c404@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:41:18 -0400 Message-ID: <425e4ac20909141341t606f2626o36610abe386017a9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Fwd: lojban and raising a child bi-lingual From: Stela Selckiku To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 16175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: selckiku@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > I don't know lojban well enough yet to be 100% sure, but I believe you've > just said (in a nutshell): Sorry, I don't know why I felt compelled to answer in Lojban, but it does seem like you understood what I said. :) There are a lot of challenges to raising someone to speak a new language, but it seems like d'Armond Speers had extra obstacles in the Klingon of that time, which was inadequate to the task and too conservative to adjust quickly. Today's Lojban is always inventing new words, for instance, and we could easily supply words for a new need, while the Klingon community is very restrictive about when new words can enter their language. The concept of "jbojbe", children who speak Lojban from birth, has been discussed for a long time. I think it's about time we started discussing it just a little bit more seriously, and seeing what we could do as a community to help those who might want to teach Lojban to their children. The state of the language and the community and of technology are all I think heading towards a place where a jbojbe could have contact with and support from a lot of Lojbanists, such as through recordings or video phone, and I think we should also start working for instance on songs and videos and stories designed especially for the jbojbe. Learning a language is difficult for anyone, even a child. My hope is that the jbojbe will feel that teaching them Lojban is not just an experiment, but that we have actually prepared a worthwhile place and role for them in our community. mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.