From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 14 13:55:49 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnIaR-0003iY-SQ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:55:48 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f197.google.com ([209.85.210.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnIaL-0003hh-8G for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:55:47 -0700 Received: by yxe35 with SMTP id 35so11894974yxe.2 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:55:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5gwqtf3fo2Tb8BMFdhUuyGLKsgQzPUsCnIxYi/kxqvQ=; b=H3YLl3PzKTWQQG2Dpr92AhIFlnfmba9Xz0ASUkpsiXmxVIBEoAMaw/riyupGUv1ZhR Vmgahb00NtSsx83uWNOVBZDgL+Ig/Ql/hxac1oiNK3M5I3mTpkFLA9qfvMLMkPH4ASPg jXGsTGECbLNKJgnMHO6HeaLj3W4EpBfj39CTk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fM3JW3/fCzfDYNfG6Yoh5+kB4EFnhlegHVesX+tJBpQB3CxRnWSoqbpmW6KiLGvpbu r3kZS5X1O+1PR+kgntSmYXxOdF76bffjj2XUoJIpZG7KYYzylojIHEimtyjXDqn86ruF 2VZ2F1/rY8bQf0CnusNlgymfvcZkuKdHtLtJM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.113.3 with SMTP id l3mr10909349ybc.90.1252961733607; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:55:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <425e4ac20909141341t606f2626o36610abe386017a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300908240824n448315ccj221a74bdf88e79e7@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908241123y78c25648q324e24f372608a42@mail.gmail.com> <4BD12EB8-CEC5-4EE4-B43C-B9CDB034455C@georgetown.edu> <5715b9300908242154t3719840bv34a35548e0c7df85@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20909031744s47e509ccud9f42da507fbd84f@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300909032023od042c0y5bbcdc6e4729c404@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20909141341t606f2626o36610abe386017a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:55:33 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300909141355m1133483bl15727bdccd37f610@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Fwd: lojban and raising a child bi-lingual From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd39cb60c82b904738fe314 X-archive-position: 16176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0cd39cb60c82b904738fe314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .i'e That'd be cool. Does anybody else have young kids/expect to have young kids in the near future? There is a part of me saying "I hope not, it'd be fun to be the first" and there is a second part of me saying "it'd be a hellofa lot easier if there were other kids their own age to talk to in the language". I guess only time will tell. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > I don't know lojban well enough yet to be 100% sure, but I believe you've > > just said (in a nutshell): > > > Sorry, I don't know why I felt compelled to answer in Lojban, but it > does seem like you understood what I said. :) > > There are a lot of challenges to raising someone to speak a new > language, but it seems like d'Armond Speers had extra obstacles in the > Klingon of that time, which was inadequate to the task and too > conservative to adjust quickly. Today's Lojban is always inventing > new words, for instance, and we could easily supply words for a new > need, while the Klingon community is very restrictive about when new > words can enter their language. > > The concept of "jbojbe", children who speak Lojban from birth, has > been discussed for a long time. I think it's about time we started > discussing it just a little bit more seriously, and seeing what we > could do as a community to help those who might want to teach Lojban > to their children. The state of the language and the community and of > technology are all I think heading towards a place where a jbojbe > could have contact with and support from a lot of Lojbanists, such as > through recordings or video phone, and I think we should also start > working for instance on songs and videos and stories designed > especially for the jbojbe. > > Learning a language is difficult for anyone, even a child. My hope is > that the jbojbe will feel that teaching them Lojban is not just an > experiment, but that we have actually prepared a worthwhile place and > role for them in our community. > > mi'e la stela selckiku > mu'o > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --000e0cd39cb60c82b904738fe314 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .i'e

That'd be cool.=A0 Does anybody else have young kids/ex= pect to have young kids in the near future?=A0 There is a part of me saying= "I hope not, it'd be fun to be the first" and there is a sec= ond part of me saying "it'd be a hellofa lot easier if there were = other kids their own age to talk to in the language".

I guess only time will tell.

On Mon, = Sep 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Luke Bergen<lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know lojban well enough yet to be 100% sure, but I believe= you've
> just said (in a nutshell):


Sorry, I don't know why I felt compelled to answer in Lojban, but= it
does seem like you understood what I said. :)

There are a lot of challenges to raising someone to speak a new
language, but it seems like d'Armond Speers had extra obstacles in the<= br> Klingon of that time, which was inadequate to the task and too
conservative to adjust quickly. =A0Today's Lojban is always inventing new words, for instance, and we could easily supply words for a new
need, while the Klingon community is very restrictive about when new
words can enter their language.

The concept of "jbojbe", children who speak Lojban from birth, ha= s
been discussed for a long time. =A0I think it's about time we started discussing it just a little bit more seriously, and seeing what we
could do as a community to help those who might want to teach Lojban
to their children. =A0The state of the language and the community and of technology are all I think heading towards a place where a jbojbe
could have contact with and support from a lot of Lojbanists, such as
through recordings or video phone, and I think we should also start
working for instance on songs and videos and stories designed
especially for the jbojbe.

Learning a language is difficult for anyone, even a child. =A0My hope is that the jbojbe will feel that teaching them Lojban is not just an
experiment, but that we have actually prepared a worthwhile place and
role for them in our community.

mi'e la stela selckiku
mu'o


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