From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 14 19:53:44 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnOAo-0004Co-Th for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:53:43 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnOAj-0004CO-Mb for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:53:42 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090915025330439.WZQ11918@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 02:53:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEF0A27F for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:53:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Fwd: lojban and raising a child bi-lingual Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:53:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200909142253.24495.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 16181 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Monday 14 September 2009 21:27:10 MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/14/2009 16:42:46 Eastern Daylight Time, > > selckiku@gmail.com writes: > > Learning a language is difficult for anyone, even a child. > > Hardly. Children learn a language with no effort at all. As one who remembers (though faintly, it was over 40 years ago) learning languages as a child, I beg to differ. I remember being puzzled by the English genitive plural, which in most nouns sounds like the genitive singular (speakers of South Slavic languages probably have the same problem). I remember struggling with hard sound sequences like [ɲw] in "baignoire". I remember repeating tongue twisters over and over again until I got them right (which I still do, inventing new ones as well). "One reason that small children are slower at learning languages than teenagers and adults is that they still haven’t learned to segment the world yet. They have to learn which person is mama and which is dada; where the arm ends and the hand begins; what shade is blue, what shade is green and what is in between; and thousands of other things. This is a huge task that people don’t have to repeat when learning a second language after they’re a bit older." -http://czechmatediary.com/2009/01/15/even-experts-dont-know-how-children-learn-languages/ Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.