From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 15 12:01:06 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MndGz-0008PL-OZ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:01:06 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f204.google.com ([209.85.211.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MndGu-0008Mx-R4 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:01:05 -0700 Received: by ywh42 with SMTP id 42so2663034ywh.30 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:00:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WxJ/cp3/oLjn8LiDlLa44OK1kuDAYihAmwuwuWL4/e8=; b=l/GQHUBSphVPtD1+06P/PdQPGYiuspRwQz69J8poPAvK3kAAemdWGZJ5L66HcAwH8L 3M0xh6h3TIPa5oe1p/gNRMLEpFP62xwxMUi+YIYocfqkduWzL8zio6LIlIP/N/ZXlkuM SuETxvWRO/e+R4WqK416MWMMAHMvU6BPy2XY4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=LLztOkGb8/7CzWyCIM/IqmKvqHGHXVTXVaG7nR51et1vrDdR5vNVXZKcuDaZgIDU4W ifBOhttSls9nJh16EiK+blN5Dm4MX9kw69kCMrq9o98j9SVE3u7mkO25lMkEeD6wvw+4 wOTv3JghrQ0I88iyIxZqvQ97lmik+dZNoMAnQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.87.7 with SMTP id p7mr8042962anl.59.1253041254286; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:00:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:00:54 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Fwd: lojban and raising a child bi-lingual From: Adam Raizen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636eedee8d9c7130473a266ad X-archive-position: 16187 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam.raizen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --001636eedee8d9c7130473a266ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 19:05, wrote: > In a message dated 9/14/2009 22:56:36 Eastern Daylight Time, > phma@phma.optus.nu writes: > > > "One reason that small children are slower at learning languages than > teenagers and adults is that they still haven=E2=80=99t learned to segmen= t the > world > yet. They have to learn which person is mama and which is dada; where the > arm > ends and the hand begins; what shade is blue, what shade is green and wha= t > is > in between; and thousands of other things. This is a huge task that peopl= e > don=E2=80=99t have to repeat when learning a second language after they= =E2=80=99re a bit > older." - > http://czechmatediary.com/2009/01/15/even-experts-dont-know-how-children-= learn-languages/ > > > > This is contrary to everything I've heard or read about children learning > their first language. Second languages are a different matter, perhaps. > > Children manage in the first few years of life to learn a language fluent= ly > from scratch. No other age group can claim that. > If you were immersed in a foreign-language culture for all your waking hour= s with no other possible language to communicate with, and in a culture that you saw yourself as a part of, you too would learn the language fluently, and in far less than the approximately 6 years that children take to attain fluency. --=20 Adam Raizen Timendi causa est nescire. --001636eedee8d9c7130473a266ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 19:05, = <Morp= hemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:
In a mess= age dated 9/14/2009 22:56:36 Eastern Daylight Time, phma@phma.optus.nu writes:


"One reaso= n that small children are slower at learning languages than
teenagers a= nd adults is that they still haven=E2=80=99t learned to segment the world <= br> yet. They have to learn which person is mama and which is dada; where the a= rm
ends and the hand begins; what shade is blue, what shade is green an= d what is
in between; and thousands of other things. This is a huge tas= k that people
don=E2=80=99t have to repeat when learning a second language after they=E2= =80=99re a bit
older." -http://czechmatediary.com/2009/01/15/even-experts-dont-know-how-children= -learn-languages/

This is contrary to everything I've heard or read about children le= arning their first language. =C2=A0Second languages are a different matter,= perhaps.

Children manage in the first few years of life to learn a language flue= ntly from scratch. =C2=A0No other age group can claim that.

If you were immersed in a foreign-lang= uage culture for all your waking hours with no other possible language to c= ommunicate with, and in a culture that you saw yourself as a part of, you t= oo would learn the language fluently, and in far less than the approximatel= y 6 years that children take to attain fluency.

--
Adam Raizen <adam.ra= izen@gmail.com>
Timendi causa est nescire.
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