From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 15 19:42:29 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnkTR-0000QB-UK for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:42:28 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnkTB-0000OU-22 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:42:23 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090916024153911.SZCZ26991@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:41:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E6B36D for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:41:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Fwd: lojban and raising a child bi-lingual Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:41:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200909152241.48788.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 16195 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tuesday 15 September 2009 15:00:54 Adam Raizen wrote: > If you were immersed in a foreign-language culture for all your waking > hours with no other possible language to communicate with, and in a culture > that you saw yourself as a part of, you too would learn the language > fluently, and in far less than the approximately 6 years that children take > to attain fluency. But if you did this as an adult, and had not previously learnt the accent of the language or enough phones to cover it, you would sound like a foreigner, however fluent you may be. Some aspects of learning a language are effortless; others take great effort. In phonetics, I picked up that, in Spanish, /n/ at the end of a word is often pronounced [ŋ] (Salvadoran accent), but I spent lots of time practicing "Ere con ere cigarro" and "Didon dîna, dit-on" and other tongue twisters. Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.