From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 24 19:42:27 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mr0lO-0001Me-RY for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:42:27 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mr0lK-0001Lz-2m for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:42:26 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090925024215171.LGFI19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:42:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBBE62CD for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:42:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: How many possible gismu? Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:42:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200909242242.10862.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 16250 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thursday 24 September 2009 20:28:14 Arran wrote: > IMHO valsi referring to other cultures, geography, ect should be fu'ivla > with rafsi. (If there can be such a thing.) What disappoints me is the lack > of taxonomy for plants and animals is the gismu.. There is such a thing. The Book has an experimental proposal of a finite set of rafsi fu'ivla. Both xorxes and I have worked out how to make an infinite class of rafsi fu'ivla, using "y" instead of the last vowel (my proposal) or adding "'y" after the last vowel (xorxes' proposal) to join them. As far as the proposal in the Book goes, if a word like "mraigo" (Welsh) is preceded by a rafsi, the Book allows words like "sicybermraigo", but to allow an infinite number of rafsi fu'ivla, such words have to have "y" inserted regardless of phonotactics: "sicyberymraigo". As to taxonomy: there are two gismu for birds in Anseriformes and two for birds in Galliformes, but the rest of the birds, including the by far largest order Passeriformes, are deserted. There are two gismu for rodents, but mice and rats are fairly close within the rodents, so it's not clear which gismu to use for other kinds of rodents. And there are no gismu at all for kinds of fish, just the general "finpe". In plants, "xruba" and "guzme" denote families, "rozgu" denotes a genus, and "latna" doesn't denote a taxon. I'm not sure if "cunmi" is taxonomically sound. Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.