From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 29 05:45:37 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Msc5I-0008P7-Sy for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:45:37 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f210.google.com ([209.85.217.210]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Msc5F-0008OX-OX for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:45:36 -0700 Received: by gxk2 with SMTP id 2so3483830gxk.4 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:45:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=y7a/AtxjTK8fKiUqXvaJUkHqZO0g/oc9VR8Mhj59FkQ=; b=QAjjSzW6qFqs7/M7jgW9T89z6MTLXHxGjWMMXeDp2kr9pCLGb0LJdRWhV5yMkl5oXP 6+oMg2usbsEt8AheA7N7kmh2PbZCNnawMLT26TFfBkIDFhh6n/fAy/3pFajy6Z1P1aPL E0aNGshbjYj0dS9OVl/eHX6MqeOit8DGMqc7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GWvrgWfhFaYN0XuR9BYfT1D7sEQP7VgilAXP/2kOfaWd2csBJYxuMF6kU1rU0T9Vzw n0iHhVdQWbtOuGY2pm7EKglNn+jsDDWJ7SdB2q9W3mBx7XFMFV7d8tI4UZPJCtLJCKDS Z8pRkLk9lWUzZI4ZYAGVAViMQbEyrs22DYKic= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.41.29 with SMTP id o29mr3639566ago.101.1254228326774; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:45:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <27513e550909282053x49e07c1cg7198b092799da748@mail.gmail.com> References: <27513e550909282053x49e07c1cg7198b092799da748@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:45:26 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560909290545w59f67bbbpd0fa6c4de6e29d4c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Translating "even" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 16262 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Oren wrote: > > Let me make sure I'm understanding this right; in the following sentence, > > "ko'a na cikna ji'asai .i na xanka ji'aru'e" > > "ji'asai" marks the preceding "na cikna" as additional and emphasized, Just "cikna". > and > "ji'aru'e" marks "na xanka" as additional, and de-emphasized? Just "xanka". This is a list of things she isn't: - cikna - xanka - ... The extreme case is "cikna": given that she isn't "cikna", you can pretty much figure out that she isn't "xanka" either. > I'm confused why we're still "adding" the second half (to de-emphasize it, I > suppose) ...is there a way to use "ji'anai" or avoid using "ji'a" entirely? I was mainly concerned with the "even" part. "She wasn't even awake". That presupposes there are other things she wasn't, and indicates that "awake" is the extreme case. The "let alone concerned" is a clarification of what other things I'm thinking about, so it is something else I'm adding to the list of things she wasn't, but it's a less extreme case than "cikna", because it's already covered by that. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.