From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 30 13:44:27 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mt62E-0000mO-QO for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:44:27 -0700 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mt627-0000lB-ID for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:44:26 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n8UKi8FG029319 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:44:08 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n8UKi79Y027298 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:44:07 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:44:06 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: eliding everything Message-ID: <20090930204405.GA8331@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <5a3750120909301321m5b743be8v5aea53f46710159e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5a3750120909301321m5b743be8v5aea53f46710159e@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 16278 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list de'i li 30 pi'e 09 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Oleksii Melnyk .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > lo cinri cu ka'e preti roda lo verba > .i lu ma smuni lo'u nu kei le'u li'u cu puzi preti la lojban lo tixnu be mi > .i bai le nu go'i kei mi co'a pensi lo du'u di'e .skamyxatra Remove the "{lo du'u}"; "{di'e}" belongs to KOhA and is thus a pro-{sumti}, not a pro-{bridi}. > .ije mi na morji le du'u ri drani fo le gerna be la lojban I think this might be an appropriate place to use "{jei}" instead of "{du'u}." You are failing to remember *whether or not* "lo ku" is grammatically correct, not *the fact that* it is grammatically correct (which it isn't). However, since the definition for "{morji}" states that its x2 is/should be a "{du'u}" abstraction, it might be more correct to use "{lo du'u xu kau}" instead. > Looks like "loku" can easily be parsed, understood in the only way, > gives us a lot of "zo'e"s of different types in a short form, and > follows a consistent pattern of eliding everything elidable. > > Have i missed something? Aside from the fact that "lo ku" and the like are completely invalid Lojban, this seems like nothing more than a variant of "{lo co'e}" that saves only one or two syllables; I don't really see enough benefit to it that would warrant the (potentially problematic) changes to the grammar, confusion of newcomers, and/or increased probability of grammatically correct typos. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- ko senpi lo du'u do bilga lonu senpi To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.