From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 30 13:55:03 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mt6CU-0001gk-RE for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:55:03 -0700 Received: from pi.meson.org ([66.134.26.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mt6CP-0001el-Ec for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:55:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 11260 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 16:54:51 -0400 Received: from nagas.meson.org (192.168.1.101) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 16:54:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4AC3C59A.7040102@kli.org> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:54:50 -0400 From: "Mark E. Shoulson" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.1) Gecko/20090814 Fedora/3.0-2.6.b3.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0b3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: How to reduce the amount of something? References: <16d9defd0909301348o30bb27d4x55540b2192f1eb7d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16d9defd0909301348o30bb27d4x55540b2192f1eb7d@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.97a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 16281 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mark@kli.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/30/2009 04:48 PM, chris kerr wrote: > Someone on IRC asked for a lojban translation of: > > Resolved: The United States Federal Government should substantially > reduce the size of its nuclear weapons arsenal, and/or substantially > reduce and restrict the role and/or missions of its nuclear weapons arsenal. > > I came up with: .i xusra lo du'u ma'a nitcu lo nu lo mergu'e ga jdika > lo ni ri ratske xarci ku gi jitro lo zu'o pilno lo ra ratske xarci > > But there is something not right with using {ni} to talk about reducing > the number of nuclear weapons. Someone remind me: is it not the case that you can't use {ni} (or any abstractor) for things like this, because {lo ni...} is equivalent to some *number* (and you can't reduce 41,291)? I seem to recall that {ni} and {jei} had lost most of their utility due to this instantiation in extension, and that was why we had to bring in {kau}. If that's so, we need to write this up clearly somewhere on the wiki, because CLL spends a fair amount of time on {ni} and pals. ~mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJKw8WXAAoJENKD8527nYuaoh8H/jqdLrX5XOAzP2JEMsECyEy/ e84OOBjd+Q3B8/Jaua69RUdxavQ3ODUUTrd+Dk4ipa9rYjvl1cgKv2OiEvm4Du1N SGpFwQsPCS5jZMlLFiaZK0zIomSAPfMlgDDv3H9zp2pLl/5dWzWDLB5XfFsam76l fjY3nsMk84R+5k/aM+KBhkQtmIJDlW7FZxvRVLdWKMnrvZgr+faR89Oj7CoU0U7a VtFicTR0watxvW70qOFlMnRTfS4J02+kstUCvt6Mtn8KkT4LFgX7IAXYvopj6vuG 4IatRBajLuFWvte8aPVzXDN3GQ8f5vIYLSHIWyETUdEuG2NW558hsasPsjZHtyU= =J900 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.