From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 01 06:46:28 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MtLzH-00086P-Ji for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:46:27 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.210.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MtLz7-000856-2u for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:46:26 -0700 Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so135740yxe.28 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OVjF7Uo2NRD7CYESOaDg7at2YTwcgs6uXhyxxqyjDZQ=; b=I/gKAwKYc7DXw3A2TngJHMyYNZFK8HIAhYntgQe52ZY/RPCGODo3bb4H3LVGWsK05k Wl1z0rUa7fEZJ+zeHbpOVtzpQaenCF5hEECXedu4R2MZIMuKhWm3AdxTayNqSFfilvJD O43kuX8wyEwMQHj1NXZgheFFnFtE5FwRmSnKk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jrHmUNXQtlXohSROKij8YBLkgGHTMZnW8V7u2pjbmeU8C5XxxsLjhzgg6/ym6rzb8K RZxMdnET67DZyeA4fKF9lme/scgG+NIW1P5s+Jr5V/FAdSCm/Y4eJl0irV3SVo4FHoBT bQmAoZqbYQDAYw785JilmAxn6CjJIiHN+1828= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.27.6 with SMTP id e6mr751523agj.27.1254404770593; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:46:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910010933.25417.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <16d9defd0909301348o30bb27d4x55540b2192f1eb7d@mail.gmail.com> <4AC3C59A.7040102@kli.org> <200910010933.25417.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:46:10 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560910010646k374e5e3aq5d836d3c5269bdf6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: How to reduce the amount of something? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 16292 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > I don't see anything wrong with "ni" for this. lo ni broda is a number or > amount, but it is not a fixed number, any more than lo se ki'ogra be mi, > which has been at various times 36, 84, 55, and 63. In that case, you need to put it in the x1 of jdika, not the x2: "lo se ki'ogra be do cu jdika", not: "do jdika lo se ki'ogra be do". If "lo ni ..." refers to a number, it can decrease. If it refers to a property, "lo ka ... xo kau ..." then it can be the property in which something decreases. The reason I keep using "ni" instead of "ka ... xo kau ..." is that the placement of the "xo kau" is not always as obvious as is "du'u xu kau" for "jei". I some time suggested "ni" = "ka se la'u li xo kau", but it is definitely more awkward than the "xu kau" substitute for "jei". mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.