From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Oct 06 07:56:14 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MvBSX-0003aE-KL for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:56:14 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f189.google.com ([209.85.211.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MvBST-0003ZL-OC for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:56:13 -0700 Received: by ywh27 with SMTP id 27so9009540ywh.2 for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=peM+oCB289HvzORsCOFD4dRz+zPfeaFQrut2DzMDC7k=; b=q4CWa/+MjjbSpDjGFPmJSWrVgOVQIqoKA6CXMouB6IH5Lb5gBJMq6v0qBlHTm8Fs8+ 2FIVX+sIU02lR0zt2AXKxZJ+4NATOwv3XUW7OWqb124PA3NynpfrxIA95OlhuP8DHBvQ 43mES2OXCdzFCGp+kipVIXSO8s9Ky8pRcEH3Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CqbnMc13WvwOCRYxX02MV7DqGZe1zBC/g5adMcpq/FQarxAcMw3WolNPTCUvgvcu9Q EeE19ffxnFJQhUAZ1Fo3V4SsnXVMNEth3UKwIrmTejkrRORoX6NvuEbN60CZIPAXUIlC dleRTm4C5sIbnkfOPU2YclK5Geiv6/L943zcc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.211.6 with SMTP id j6mr737957agg.86.1254840963457; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300910060734h224431e1w8b2cba5f622d8fd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300910060604i7f6d4439n1b0754efaecd1107@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560910060650y2ec4c33btc7a7eb16f9d9f396@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300910060734h224431e1w8b2cba5f622d8fd9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:56:03 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560910060756w26f3f8b4t47e985bbe0842574@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: selbri fa place and gadri question From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 16308 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > I knew {lo} was flexible but I didn't know it was that flexible. All "lo" does is convert a selbri into a sumti, selecting the x1 slot of the selbri so that the referent(s) of the resulting sumti will be things that fit that x1 slot. Any further specification, determination, restriction, qualification, quantification, partition, distribution, etc. of the referents, when and if needed, is better done by means other than a choice of gadri. Unfortunately, the existence of other cmavo in selma'o LE with additional information created the notion that "lo" also had to convey some additional information instead of remaining a neutral syntactic conversion, like for instance "fi'o". Nobody worries about what meaning "fi'o" has other han converting a selbri into a tag, but with "lo" it seems that conversion of a selbri into a sumti was not enough. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.