From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Oct 06 08:51:24 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MvCJv-0002OA-Va for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:51:24 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f189.google.com ([209.85.211.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MvCJp-0002Lq-H7 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:51:22 -0700 Received: by ywh27 with SMTP id 27so9195966ywh.2 for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:51:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Cks6qiQwa8wQLG8X4bY0GS+XxbnTvw/JgITlIF4DSNI=; b=BBHYwZEe90IYjAoOoGZ7xx9lY56Xn2VB1dccM105+93qwLmjFnkzsQM8AXo6N6j7jp TOQRy7Zpbj3Uja5rVeprgw/saoGKaTNdZmQBo9Vz8cOqSeuLtxGoDo1CXmTkC5AwJyMC 1Yt7WM7BxQWQJaeV6tvukkfGsk6JIxfsZ6y7U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=OgnX+q8iqpc4z+crMRYn43FNNFwHJhQH9DKon4uY18msmwUyfL0EJC/DuIAdrKtX8C S8Czqicg1LTYopHZJZFijKvbLjyM5m0ENmJb0ZK4XV1SR+gTLiLSAh50JOsEHSOn7zY9 qzBthJGjEf6b12f8X5ZHXtR623tzv6mEZCSOQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.44.28 with SMTP id r28mr2589997ybr.36.1254844270594; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:51:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560910060756w26f3f8b4t47e985bbe0842574@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300910060604i7f6d4439n1b0754efaecd1107@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560910060650y2ec4c33btc7a7eb16f9d9f396@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300910060734h224431e1w8b2cba5f622d8fd9@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560910060756w26f3f8b4t47e985bbe0842574@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:51:10 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300910060851i6920caa8x9a9a57f7a0106dbd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: selbri fa place and gadri question From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd5f0feff4af20475463230 X-archive-position: 16309 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0cd5f0feff4af20475463230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .uacai. I think I finally understand {lo} under xorlo now. You're right, = I kept trying to make it say extra stuff but when I think of it as a converte= r like a {fi'o} or {me} I get it. Also >yeah, I through that bridi together last second *threw* 2009/10/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > I knew {lo} was flexible but I didn't know it was that flexible. > > All "lo" does is convert a selbri into a sumti, selecting the x1 slot > of the selbri so that the referent(s) of the resulting sumti will be > things that fit that x1 slot. Any further specification, > determination, restriction, qualification, quantification, partition, > distribution, etc. of the referents, when and if needed, is better > done by means other than a choice of gadri. Unfortunately, the > existence of other cmavo in selma'o LE with additional information > created the notion that "lo" also had to convey some additional > information instead of remaining a neutral syntactic conversion, like > for instance "fi'o". Nobody worries about what meaning "fi'o" has > other han converting a selbri into a tag, but with "lo" it seems that > conversion of a selbri into a sumti was not enough. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --000e0cd5f0feff4af20475463230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .uacai.=A0 I think I finally understand {lo} under xorlo now.=A0 You're= right, I kept trying to make it say extra stuff but when I think of it as = a converter like a {fi'o} or {me} I get it.

Also

>yeah, I through that bridi together la= st second

*threw*

2009/10/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0I knew {lo} was flexible but I didn't know it was that flexible= .

All "lo" does is convert a selbri into a sumti, selecting t= he x1 slot
of the selbri so that the referent(s) of the resulting sumti will be
things that fit that x1 slot. Any further specification,
determination, restriction, qualification, quantification, partition,
distribution, etc. of the referents, when and if needed, is better
done by means other than a choice of gadri. Unfortunately, the
existence of other cmavo in selma'o LE with additional information
created the notion that "lo" also had to convey some additional information instead of remaining a neutral syntactic conversion, like
for instance "fi'o". Nobody worries about what meaning "= fi'o" has
other han converting a selbri into a tag, but with "lo" it seems = that
conversion of a selbri into a sumti was not enough.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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