From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Oct 07 12:41:31 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MvcOB-0007OG-FZ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:41:31 -0700 Received: from mail-pz0-f183.google.com ([209.85.222.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MvcO8-0007Nf-Ht for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:41:31 -0700 Received: by pzk13 with SMTP id 13so5181153pzk.25 for ; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:41:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wAR0aHT3PTtnl4b9XsGkNxUk2fKVVTyK9pMtgGu9PzM=; b=cXkb0M1ikMkJqYsZKxl5YegmwvL0P6PBwaLWTkSPKrfY3Vhwn7aon/qgqBJF2E9l0e PEtZ/DTc9sG7VSegOFVL0lwb/g7/GypL1rlfY3x5L5mSZRpaoKqMqICYQzNxIuAaJP4Z pnf3Qclxjq5G3n3hgMSy2vV6//SLx3pebWWwE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PHttAttniHQ9WOkriDZH0Mfd5kAvu9pd1JaPwCXFfwQGeKeHUJ9GTKVe8flIvEUEZp G8SXB9N7H4xnANHB+Vgiy5ZGC7a79gg2kj15tNctDRzWpqxgB2VxZ6gv7ScFjG6wkA3F LPEVhRWxS2LZuBhLThrLZKuBLnllq1a5NLEfw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.154.6 with SMTP id g6mr24686wfo.106.1254944482331; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:41:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <425e4ac20909200200l774ba87k408552c356478268@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60909230844v37b71e0do7686de8c3d04f9ad@mail.gmail.com> <20091007191740.GA358@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:41:22 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60910071241t3058dcaeh3f809281e33ecd36@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: la jefnuzba pa moi From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16315 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Daniel Brockman wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Minimiscience wrote: >> de'i li 07 pi'e 10 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Daniel Brockman .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. >>> > Twice the author(s) have used English quotes followed by "noi >>> > fanva...." 'fanva" is a translator, not the translation.  Those should >>> > have been   "noi se fanva...." >>> >>> I thought the implicit {ke'a} could go anywhere? >> .skamyxatra >> >> Technically, it can, but by convention the "{ke'a}" is practically always >> assumed to occupy the first empty place. > > Except when another empty place is the obviously correct one. :-) > Your point is well-taken. I should have been more careful in my statement, since it with no ke'a, it's only conventionally the x1 place that is meant, not absolutely. Blame it on my religious background, which venerates tradition :-) Although I could fall back on the argument that "should have been" in my statement doesn't mean the same as "are wrong, with the correct formulation being" (i.e. I was merely suggesting, not dictating), I won't. I was pedantic, and incorrectly so. --gy To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.