From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Oct 10 12:40:40 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mwho0-0004KU-7I for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:40:40 -0700 Received: from lethe.anno.name ([94.23.56.58] helo=mail.dircksen.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mwhnr-0004Ju-Us for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:40:39 -0700 Received: from [192.168.178.21] (HSI-KBW-078-042-024-157.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de [78.42.24.157]) by mail.dircksen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 78CE57178C for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:42:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4AD0E320.2070606@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:40:16 +0200 From: Timo Paulssen User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090701) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: What sumti slot comes after the selbri? (jbofi'e quirk!) (official answer by jcowan!) (this time with text!) References: <4AD09C6E.7080901@perpetuum-immobile.de> <4AD0BA07.80301@perpetuum-immobile.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD0BA07.80301@perpetuum-immobile.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig17CE8D84F49B50C225809C0B" X-archive-position: 16320 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig17CE8D84F49B50C225809C0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 18:10 < florolf> jcowan, maybe you can comment on this problem: {fi mi du= nda ti} should be =3D=3D {fi mi dunda fo ti} (at least i can= 't find any hint that it shouldn't be) 18:10 < florolf> however, jbofi'e parses it as {fi mi dunda fe ti} 18:11 < florolf> which interpretation is correct? 18:11 * jcowan looks in CLL 18:13 < jcowan> "What if some sumti have FA tags and others do not? The r= ule is that after a FA-tagged sumti, any sumti following it occu= py the places numerically succeeding it, subject to the proviso = that an already-filled place is skipped" 18:13 < jcowan> So fo is correct and jbofi'e is wrong, though understanda= ble. 18:13 * jcowan wishes we had never added FA to the language; it demands = more rules interpretation calls than anything else. 18:14 < jcowan> "Such a convoluted use of tags should probably be avoided= except when trying for a literal translation of some Engl= ish (or other natural-language) sentence; the rules stated he= re are merely given so that some standard interpretation is poss= ible." 18:14 < florolf> yeah, FA's a little convoluted 18:15 < florolf> jcowan, one *could* assume (mainly, because the rules involving FA *are* complex already) that for *some* reas= on, a selbri would reset the place counter 18:16 < florolf> that might even make sense in some case or another 18:16 < florolf> that's why we were confused 18:16 < jcowan> One *could* assume the moon is made of green cheese, and = except for calculating the height of the tides, very little woul= d go wrong with one's life. 18:16 < florolf> indeed 18:17 < jcowan> "green" in that context, btw, means fresh, young, not age= d. mu'o mi'e timos --------------enig17CE8D84F49B50C225809C0B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkrQ4yQACgkQus6NTCHpCECUxwCdHGrHgRSxkNwz5MEqBCLoptOB mxkAnRkqUMXDhEmJ3u+qaawMO4yOkH1D =4gBq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig17CE8D84F49B50C225809C0B-- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.