From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Oct 18 08:59:31 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MzYAN-0007dC-1N for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:59:31 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.210.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MzYAJ-0007c0-If for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:59:30 -0700 Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so3322481yxe.28 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:59:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zhiBkaIKmbm6fLWgfoOtaIcL2rB3GkTO/wZsosE3eQo=; b=Bv/JStH4KcFTC3UU675CRS/RbOEwKBR+zbWOzX6S8+AvJCcSh6YoRhMzzv/+oZoyjs qvCqPdpjIpDDQ4E6QwiuoBs8UC6SyN8B31BYEWwfSDu7dushoFxisCym7DKmyBeuRY1/ 7Ypqwrsqui5jHp+x+8cu35SIZeWDYbe3BpqfE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YASnzwVyo70ZVBYanusgbsk03A5U9LQ5bUYmtzg/F4Y2RQImwKzh5BbkvpnVdHOO/N NB/nIUGA9CijwVkGjZRXf8Mf0dlahHQ7vomypsGeqSYpE5FI0uHa4xM2EMrD76KXkqzB hmwgBoMh1DQq/ax5OneGMP6/U8z7NmyWAqpA4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.16.40 with SMTP id 40mr3648075agp.7.1255881561387; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:59:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300910180819y60f699f9r779ac16bac8afc23@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300910180819y60f699f9r779ac16bac8afc23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:59:21 -0200 Message-ID: <925d17560910180859g4c267070l317b06a064d76ccd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: [jbovlaste] Re: What would happen if xu and ko were put together? (Now in the right list!) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16356 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list (I thought I was subscribed to jbovlaste, but apparently not. I don't know how I became unsubscribed because I did receive something from jbovlaste back in June.) > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 3:21 AM, John Cowan wrote: >>  Recapping: >> >> "Where are you going?  Go there."  (no dominance) >> >> "Tell me where you are going and go there."  (command dominates) I don't see the difference between those two. They seem to be equivalent at least so far as "where are you going?" and "tell me where you are going" are equivalent. >> "Where are you going, and are you obeying my order to go there." >> (question dominates) That doesn't seem a likely interpretation for "ko klama ma", because it introduces a yes/no question absent from the Lojban. I think the other interpretation is "where am I ordering you to go?" It seems to me both interpretations are somewhat rhetorical: you decide where to go, and that's where I'm telling you to go, I'm not going to decide for you; or, you already know where I'm telling you to go, don't make me repeat myself. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.