From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 22 13:59:28 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N14kq-0008IV-IH for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:59:28 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.210.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N14kn-0008I7-2J for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:59:28 -0700 Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so7666700yxe.28 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=pTIZ5jOyx0j8ECUQlVVnhQuG1j0MPQSioAi2WOEh8XU=; b=aJPykjHGRgn/Tnj3ZivUnsY8EdmdypKAiLZxTnI+Fa/0QAJiCx4L6Oul951rQaz3KX qyU7wsV3JeSaREATx/5QEy0c15jhYJ0MqcUx3cGTo+pw9qgn4PNQPnpRUafRvML1RrDi /j/1YPqPNxi0Lu5OHWw3F5HyTWscwLsY25h54= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Nn8y7yF181HmYKmxNV032bpg5Ws+m0lLq1qqO9QrnvCf9FxB/z7GPz9PbTUVjP0SgT NBvumF6zqqoRsZJS+2GRqjoXLpJkDKMPHTjMjDNX0yIane69kAjP2dg5rpqPObglzgEz L1TtPeAYM8w0he73zObzz754Wj2a9YXTPwglU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.46.12 with SMTP id t12mr16533298ybt.218.1256245158796; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:59:18 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300910221359y76c159d9t4a41eb06d93f594c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] danfu dandu danlu From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd5b98a70dfae04768c5eff X-archive-position: 16381 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0cd5b98a70dfae04768c5eff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While studying vocab I noticed the existence of {danfu}, {dandu}, and {danlu}. When the LLG was putting lojban together was there no intention of making the different words sound distinctive? I know that one of the main reasons for lojban's split from loglan was that users wanted a stable * spoken* logical language. Given that, I'm surprise that "easy to distinguish words in a noisy environment" wasn't one of the goals of lojban. One of the more annoying things about english for me is that so many words sound similar. Maybe instead of choosing gismu based on some (rarely helpful) metric of how much the common languages used particular letters, maybe if we/they had chosen to spread the phonemes out with as wide of a distribution possible that would have been more useful (as well as screw up any potential for poetry I guess). Clearly it is way to late in the game to change the gismu. I bring this up only because I'm curious if the LLG had considered this. --000e0cd5b98a70dfae04768c5eff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While studying vocab I noticed the existence of {danfu}, {dandu}, and {danl= u}.=A0 When the LLG was putting lojban together was there no intention of m= aking the different words sound distinctive?=A0 I know that one of the main= reasons for lojban's split from loglan was that users wanted a stable = spoken logical language.=A0 Given that, I'm surprise that "= easy to distinguish words in a noisy environment" wasn't one of th= e goals of lojban.=A0 One of the more annoying things about english for me = is that so many words sound similar.

Maybe instead of choosing gismu based on some (rarely helpful) metric o= f how much the common languages used particular letters, maybe if we/they h= ad chosen to spread the phonemes out with as wide of a distribution possibl= e that would have been more useful (as well as screw up any potential for p= oetry I guess).

Clearly it is way to late in the game to change the gismu.=A0 I bring t= his up only because I'm curious if the LLG had considered this.
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