From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 22 15:37:06 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N16HJ-0006k5-MX for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:37:05 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.210.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N16HG-0006jf-Fx for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:37:05 -0700 Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so25613yxe.28 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:36:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=v09tWRDnrgU+ovO4YUaQBNG3gDMBO262w6qdacDuBSg=; b=lQ8H7bJAru/Waz9NHQAebksKNybSztlBnR7Q1FI0vLXqLc4CtIHdAdV9c6R47/XI7a mIXhigfx/LaukE8VSOV8ryp2TlpST673D/xsDOcqAl1q4v8r3zZ2k02BJnRHCMlHsPEy s3G04na0RGzvB0cUmI/xFpMNJELmH5y+QTFiY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=IKY99JbmTDOdTr88wAGALV/ebCUEG274sXT7ecXu5eYHjCb684w7CqzaOJzoicYNNg b3iFcXq23q9EH9j4IASfXO4eAA+CtL25ZNpqud5v9w+H2+F9Y01LD+FutltdCQ+QRQ7H cF7puvs5qFTXCEUhepdyb/B/7bEbI4LHsnDrA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.88.8 with SMTP id l8mr16657182ybb.38.1256251016162; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:36:56 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300910221536o6c0b268fr5317e25634f1edc9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] vagueness vs ambiguity From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd5d158912dc504768dbb84 X-archive-position: 16385 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0cd5d158912dc504768dbb84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So I've heard people say in the past "lojban is vague, but it is not ambiguous". But what is the difference exactly? "John and Jim played a game. He lost". I've heard this example used to explain how english is "ambiguous". But how is this different from {la djan joi la djim kelci lo lo nunkei .i ra toljinga} which I guess is "ambiguous"? --000e0cd5d158912dc504768dbb84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So I've heard people say in the past "lojban is vague, but it is n= ot ambiguous".=A0 But what is the difference exactly?

"Joh= n and Jim played a game.=A0 He lost".=A0 I've heard this example u= sed to explain how english is "ambiguous".=A0 But how is this dif= ferent from {la djan joi la djim kelci lo lo nunkei .i ra toljinga} which I= guess is "ambiguous"?
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